Similar inscriptions on Safavid and Ottoman coins...?!?!

Started by mti, March 12, 2021, 11:30:27 PM

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mti

Hello,

I got this coin today in mail... and started researching it...  it is:  3.2g  ||  19-22mm  ||  Looks Copper/Bronze

As I looked through Zeno... I found similar text on silver Safavid coins:  https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=53913
I am talking about the text within circle.

and also I found an Ottoman coin with similar text (within circle)  on one side but the second side is not matching my coin... (B/W picture of the Ottoman coin is bellow...)

I need your help deciphering the texts and maybe you will point me in the right direction with the attribution of this coin (pictures of it bellow)

Thank you in advance... !!!  =))

saro

I don't see any real similarity of legend ?
What is certain is that's not a safavid coin.
At bottom of the 1st picture,a single word is legible in periphery (nusrat) which is found on ottoman mangirs or fals. the ruler's name is likely in the circle. (The mintname is present in the centre of the 2nd picture ).
You should focus on ottomans coopers.
"All I know is that I know nothing" (Socrates)

aws22

Thank you Saro; dear mti, your coin:
Ottoman,  Sultan Osman II, 1027 AH, Silver Akce, Serez (now in Greece) mint (AH 1027-1031/ 1618-1622 AD)
First photo:
Field:
Inside central circle:
..... عثمان  , Osman (referring to Osman II bin Sultan Ahmed I Khan)
Margin:
سلطان بن احمد خان عز نصره , Sultan bin Ahmed Khan, Azza Nasrahu (May his victory be glorious).
Second photo:
Field:
Inside central circle:
ضرب في سرس  (Struck in Serez, Siroz, Serres now in Greece)
Margin:
Around, an inscription followed by the accession year of the Sultan.
خلد ملكه وسلطانه ۱۰۲٧  , Kullida Mulkahu wa Sultanahu (may God perpetuate his Reign and his Sultanate) year (1027).
Osman II (عثمان ثانى‎), also known as Osman the Young, was the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire from 1618 until his regicide on 20 May 1622.

Maythem
Coin collecting has a curious name. It is also called the "Hobby of Kings".

saro

"All I know is that I know nothing" (Socrates)

aws22

Thank you Saro, yes I agree with you that it is " Zarb Bursa   ضرب برسه " which is without the letter " Waw و ", as in " Brusah بروسه " as shown in the attached left photo. In the right photo the mint " Serez سرز " is written with an end letter " Z ز " as shown.
So, the mint is most likely "Bursa".

Maythem
Coin collecting has a curious name. It is also called the "Hobby of Kings".

mti

Thank you Saro and Maythem for your help... I think I am learning with your concise answers/replies...  what about the coin bellow (it's a different coin) also Akce - Silver... I have it identified as Suleiman I - 926AH... If you need metrology I will provide it then... but the question is:  Can you see a Mint on this coin... I saw a similar one on Zeno with an attribution to Mint: - Kratova...?!?!  Please let me know... Thank you, again... =))

aws22

Dear mti, attached is a coin similar to yours " Suleiman I ", you can see the mint position, so on yours the mint is not visible; attached coin reads from top to bottom:
عز نصره   Azza Nasrahu (May his victory be glorious).
ضرب    Zarb  (Struck)
في تلمسان  fi Tlemsin (Algeria)
سنه  sannah  (year)
........... (date is not visible).
Tlemcen (تلمسان‎ Tilimsan) is the second largest city in north-western Algeria after Oran, and capital of the Tlemcen Province.

Maythem
Coin collecting has a curious name. It is also called the "Hobby of Kings".