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Offline parkingtokens

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P&O
« on: February 20, 2021, 11:52:30 AM »
P&O CRUISES
A Britain's cruise line
This is a 20P Amusement token
Do we consider this a GB machine token?
It is clearly an English company but it is used outside the UK
WM 21.2mm

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Re: P&O
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2021, 11:55:11 AM »
No Rik these are casino tokens and are not included in the British Machine tokens.

Used on board ships.
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Re: P&O
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2021, 12:18:52 PM »
Malcolm
In the Netherlands we consider tokens of Dutch companies that are used on board as Dutch tokens

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Re: P&O
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2021, 02:14:13 PM »
According to international maritime law, ships have the nationality of the country of registration (usually mentioned on the stern, below the ship's name). As long as the tokens are used on-board a ship registered in the UK and outside territorial waters (it is usual that within territorial waters, certain activities, such as sales of tax-free items and gambling are closed), there is no doubt that they have the same status as those used within the UK. I expect the P&O ships to be registered in the UK, though that is not necessarily the case. That doesn't give catalogue makers any obligation, of course.

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Re: P&O
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2021, 06:45:38 PM »
Personally I'd say the currency unit used points this irrevocably to the UK. I'd have no problem attributing any token denominated in a specific currency to the country that uses that currency. Obviously with pesos and dollars you have to know which peso or dollar you're talking about. The only exceptions I guess would be US dollars and euros, which might be used as default international currencies with no particular connection to either the US or anywhere in the eurozone.

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Re: P&O
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2021, 08:42:00 PM »
Even a metal token issued in the name of a casino in London would still not be a British Machine token.

However British the token from a cruise ship is or is not... It is a casino token and so it is not a British Machine token.

This could possibly work different in other countries - not sure.

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Re: P&O
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2021, 08:59:40 PM »
Tokens are used in a casino typically for gambling machines. For table games, they use chips, with a very different look.

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Re: P&O
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2021, 10:23:46 PM »
They are indeed tokens used in machines, however when Ralph Hayes wrote his book British Machine Tokens he didn't include those from casinos, so this pattern is still followed today.

'Used on board ships' was just an aside and wasn't intentionally implying anything else.
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Re: P&O
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2021, 12:00:22 PM »
thus, a slot machine token used in a casino belongs to a different group of tokens than a token used in the same slot machine in a cafe.
And all those arcades are private casinos
Even if Hayes has figured that out, it doesn't mean that's right.
the definition of a machine token can and should have nothing to do where it is used
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Re: P&O
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2021, 01:05:42 PM »
I do not know about other countries but here a casino is legally something quite different to an arcade.

Something like...

For an arcade you can just walk in and some bits are just for fun.

For a casino prizes can be BIG and also only a casino will have table games... roulette, poker, chips etc...

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Also it might be difficult for you to find a British token (not from a cruise ship) that names a casino and was definitely for use in slot machines.

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Re: P&O
« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2021, 02:18:36 PM »
"Also it might be difficult for you to find a British token (not from a cruise ship) that names a casino and was definitely for use in slot machines"
ok, that's something else!

Here I have an example of a Dutch Machine token from the State casino