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Offline FosseWay

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Re: UK Penny and Half Penny collection
« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2020, 06:45:36 AM »
That 1825 is nice.  If I were to pick it up at a glance I would think Roman.

Yes, they had a period of portraying the kings as emperors with laurel wreaths in their hair rather than typical crowns. On some they're even draped in toga-like robes that add to the effect. The one below is the 1797 "Cartweel" issue but the 1806/07 is similar in this respect.

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Re: UK Penny and Half Penny collection
« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2020, 08:33:36 PM »
1930 George V Half Penny.  Again, I have a number but tried to post the best one.  https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces578.html
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Re: UK Penny and Half Penny collection
« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2020, 09:47:35 PM »
Want to add just a couple images

1825

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These older ones, Victoria and earlier, are my favorites, Dale. Thanks for posting yours.

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Re: UK Penny and Half Penny collection
« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2020, 12:49:28 AM »
I think this is one of my better examples at least in my British large pennies.  1857

Best I can tell it is "Close Colon" , "Large Date".

Look that one up in the catalog  :)

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These older ones, Victoria and earlier, are my favorites, Dale. Thanks for posting yours.

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Re: UK Penny and Half Penny collection
« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2020, 10:16:13 PM »
After seeing Dale's beautiful '57 I'm a little embarrassed even posting this one :-)  1862 Victoria Half Penny.  Coin has seen better days.   
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Re: UK Penny and Half Penny collection
« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2020, 10:36:58 PM »
No need to be embarrassed, I have plenty that can keep yours company.

Now, Feast your eyes on this beauty!

1797 1-Penny....Trust me.


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I do have a nice 1797 2-Penny though



After seeing Dale's beautiful '57 I'm a little embarrassed even posting this one :-)  1862 Victoria Half Penny.  Coin has seen better days.   

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Re: UK Penny and Half Penny collection
« Reply #21 on: November 21, 2020, 10:56:00 AM »
I agree with Dale, Greg. I have a lot of worn and beat up old coppers too. If you look at the bright side...I always do...you see evidence of the coin doing its "job." They were meant to circulate and they did. Where have they been, who handled them and for what purpose would be fun to know. Enjoy them for what they are.

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Re: UK Penny and Half Penny collection
« Reply #22 on: November 21, 2020, 11:06:47 AM »
Another consideration. That copper Victorian penny did not see much circulation. It was unpopular due to its weight and relatively quickly replaced by the bronze types. By contrast, those bronze Victorian pennies and halfpennies were still plentiful in circulation when I first went to the UK in the mid sixties. They were withdrawn from 1968, but remained in use, e.g. on fairgrounds in "bulldozer" type games. It is difficult to find a Victorian bronze penny in VF or better. It is also difficult to find a Victorian copper penny in VF or worse.

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Re: UK Penny and Half Penny collection
« Reply #23 on: November 27, 2020, 12:27:04 PM »
I finally went through my box and pulled out a few pennies and halfpennies. I have a lot more than I thought but wanted to post just a few. This 1855 is pretty nive but not as nice as Dale's '57. He takes better pictures too. :)

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Re: UK Penny and Half Penny collection
« Reply #24 on: November 27, 2020, 12:29:34 PM »
Here's an 1861. Not in the best condition but the woodgrain effect is interesting. We call these woodies.

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Re: UK Penny and Half Penny collection
« Reply #25 on: November 27, 2020, 12:34:03 PM »
And the final year of the Victoria design.

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Re: UK Penny and Half Penny collection
« Reply #26 on: November 27, 2020, 04:19:27 PM »
1869 half penny. This one has a small planchet delamination (?) on the reverse in the field at 9 o'clock.

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Re: UK Penny and Half Penny collection
« Reply #27 on: November 27, 2020, 06:22:41 PM »
If you look closely at the obverses, you'll see that 1949 is in fact different from 1938/40 (those two are the same as each other). On the coins up to and including 1948, the obverse inscription ends ... IND IMP, short for Indiae Imperator, or Emperor of India. In 1949 this was removed and F D expanded to FIDEI DEF (Fidei Defensor, or Defender of the Faith).

The reason is of course that the British monarch ceased to be emperor of India when India and Pakistan became independent.

But this raises a question that I've never seen a decent answer to. India and Pakistan gained their independence on 15 August 1947, yet the change on UK coinage only took effect in 1949. For all UK coins dated 1948, the king was claiming a title he was no longer entitled to. Some of the Dominions that also used IND IMP or an English equivalent did indeed change the legend in 1948 - South Africa, for example. Why the delay in the UK? Head in the sand ostrich behaviour? If we say it on the coins it must be true? An error? Laziness at the Mint?
India become independent in 1947 but became a Republic only in 1950 when its constitution came into affect ...

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Re: UK Penny and Half Penny collection
« Reply #28 on: November 27, 2020, 10:37:56 PM »
Here is a match to gpimper's coin

1757 half penny

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Re: UK Penny and Half Penny collection
« Reply #29 on: November 27, 2020, 10:38:40 PM »
And a fairly nice coin as well :-)

1806 half penny

Dale