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Small Qarakhanid
« on: May 20, 2020, 12:08:11 AM »
Recently this coin came to me. It is a Qarakhanid fals, but a small one. Was it clipped? It looks a bit coarse, is it an imitation? I hope you can help!
22 mm, 1.89 gr.

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Re: Small Qarakhanid
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2020, 07:15:26 PM »
Unfortunately, i can not be of much help, but still like the specimen !
Stylistically it looks a bit like a Ghaznavid specimen, disregarding the size. But the weight and the outer ring with small annulets might indeed suggest that it was clipped from a bigger copper dirham.

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Re: Small Qarakhanid
« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2020, 11:48:55 PM »
I thought it might be a later Qarakhanid coin, c. 1100 AD/ 500H.
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Re: Small Qarakhanid
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2020, 12:09:55 AM »
Perhaps a PM too Toofast would help?

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Re: Small Qarakhanid
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2020, 04:03:50 PM »
It is a clipped fals from Bukhara, 425AH with the title 'Tafgach khan' (Ali b. al-Hasan) and the laqab 'Shams ad-Dawla' (Yusuf b. Ali).

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Re: Small Qarakhanid
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2020, 04:17:23 PM »
So Kochnev#765 ?

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Re: Small Qarakhanid
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2020, 06:45:42 PM »
No. There is no such variety in Kochnev's tables.

#764 holds 'Shams ad-Dawla' on the obverse and 'Tafgach Khan' on the reverse.
#765 holds 'ad-Dawla' only on the obverse and  'Tafgach Khan Shams' on the reverse.

Paul's coin has 'Shams ad-Dawla' on the obverse and 'Tafgach Khan Shams' on the reverse.

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Re: Small Qarakhanid
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2020, 07:34:14 PM »
Dear Toofast, thanks very much. A pity that the coin was clipped, I’m afraid it has to go.
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Re: Small Qarakhanid
« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2020, 07:48:05 PM »
Ah, i see the شمس "shams" now at the top below the top ornament. But is is really small, i thought it was part of the top ornament.

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Re: Small Qarakhanid
« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2020, 09:36:33 PM »
Yes, the obverse has "shams" at the top (1), but what is the word at the foot of the reverse (2)? Here are detail pictures of the words.
By the way, how do we know it is Bukhara? The mint must have been cut off.

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Re: Small Qarakhanid
« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2020, 10:34:28 PM »
That's the second Shams which Dmitry mentioned.

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Re: Small Qarakhanid
« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2020, 10:48:54 PM »
I see a some ss or shsh, but there’s more to that word I think.
— Paul