Author Topic: Cambray 4 deniers 1588-1589  (Read 161 times)

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Offline mkm1968

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Cambray 4 deniers 1588-1589
« on: March 21, 2020, 03:46:31 AM »
hello, please help in determining the coin, the size in the photo in comparison with other coins.
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Re: coin definition
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2020, 08:34:17 AM »
French or Southern Netherlands (now Belgium) brass counter. On the left picture, I read DE+ CAM   ERA - from the chamber (of accounts). On the right picture I see MONNOIE, an archaic french spelling of monnaie, money. The style of the decorated cross is of the Habsburg lands or (Northern) France. Possibly used as (gold-coloured) amulet or jewellery.

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Re: coin definition
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2020, 04:04:00 PM »
Thank you, you think this is a counting token. Is the option that it is a coin excluded?

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Re: coin definition
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2020, 04:26:06 PM »
Nothing is ever sure in life, but in view of what I can read, I see no other way to explain it, in spite of what looks like a denomination. And look at that crown! That's not the work of a pro.

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Re: coin definition
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2020, 04:31:55 PM »
thanks, he completely agrees.

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Re: coin definition
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2020, 05:28:45 PM »
Wrong, all wrong, Figleaf! It doesn't say CAMERA, but CAMBRA. That makes a huge difference. The complete texts are:

DENIERS MONNOIE and DE CAMBRA (date)

I found it and it is a coin after all! The clumsy crown is explained because De Balagny's mint was a private enterprise in newly conquered Cambrai, a city not yet integrated in the kingdom of France.

For the record: Cambrai, 4 deniers 1588-1589 (date worn off), issued by governor Jean de Balagny. Not in the major catalogues. Listed only in Numismatique de Cambrai, page 244 by Charles Robert. There is also a 6 deniers.

Peter
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Re: coin definition
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2020, 05:34:45 PM »
No words to admire, thank you
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Re: coin definition
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2020, 05:54:33 PM »
Immediately found on the Internet analogues of this coin when the legend was correctly defined

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