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5 pfennig 1950 A (J.1504) - "a star in the diamond"
« on: June 15, 2021, 05:18:06 PM »
Good day.
I have a new coin - 50 pfennigs 1950 A.
It has a counterstamp - a star in a diamond. Does anyone know about this countermark? What it is?

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Re: 5 pfennig 1950 A (J.1504) - "a star in the diamond"
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2021, 10:26:48 AM »
The 5-pointed star is a popular symbol and what may be rays or a sunburst may also be just decoration, so it will be very difficult to connect the counterstamp to anything with certainty.

That said, there is a set of circumstances that brings the origin and date of the coin and the symbolism on the counterstamp together. In 1974, a revolution in Portugal ended the period of fascist-military rule in favour of a liberal democracy. The new government was eager to get rid of its colonies, the largest of which were Moçambique and Angola. In Angola, the major actors were the MPLA (left) FNLA and UNITA (right). The Reagan administration instigated a proxy war, with MPLA supported by Cuba (in reality by the Soviet Union and COMECON countries) and FNLA and UNITA supported by the US, Zaire and South Africa.

The logo of FNLA contained a 5-pointed star. That's pretty flimsy evidence and the rest is circumstantial, but it's all I have to offer. There was a significant contingent of East Germans in Angola, working against FNLA. The coin was in circulation in the 1970s. In a (civil) war, small change has a tendency to be in short supply. The counterstamp is amateurish - the star is irregular and none of its points aligns properly with a corner of the rhombus. It all suggests that FNLA may have used any small change they got their hands on to counterstamp and re-cycle and score propaganda points in the process.

Peter
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Re: 5 pfennig 1950 A (J.1504) - "a star in the diamond"
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2021, 10:39:55 AM »
The 5-pointed star is a popular symbol and what may be rays or a sunburst may also be just decoration, so it will be very difficult to connect the counterstamp to anything with certainty.

That said, there is a set of circumstances that brings the origin and date of the coin and the symbolism on the counterstamp together. In 1974, a revolution in Portugal ended the period of fascist-military rule in favour of a liberal democracy. The new government was eager to get rid of its colonies, the largest of which were Moçambique and Angola. In Angola, the major actors were the MPLA (left) FNLA and UNITA (right). The Reagan administration instigated a proxy war, with MPLA supported by Cuba (in reality by the Soviet Union and COMECON countries) and FNLA and UNITA supported by the US, Zaire and South Africa.

The logo of FNLA contained a 5-pointed star. That's pretty flimsy evidence and the rest is circumstantial, but it's all I have to offer. There was a significant contingent of East Germans in Angola, working against FNLA. The coin was in circulation in the 1970s. In a (civil) war, small change has a tendency to be in short supply. The counterstamp is amateurish - the star is irregular and none of its points aligns properly with a corner of the rhombus. It all suggests that FNLA may have used any small change they got their hands on to counterstamp and re-cycle and score propaganda points in the process.

Peter

Peter, thanks a lot.
But all the same, this symbol has to do with the era of the USSR. This symbol is Soviet. Here's an example below.
But why were the GDR coins branded? How often did this happen? ...

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Re: 5 pfennig 1950 A (J.1504) - "a star in the diamond"
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2021, 10:58:35 AM »
It looks the same, but it is different. The star is regular, one of its point is well aligned with a corner of the rhombus and the number of rays is smaller, symmetric and regularly distributed. The c/s on the GDR coin is an imitation. Nevertheless, it wrecks my beautiful but flimsy FNLA theory. :)

What is the object you are showing? How is the c/s used? Is it a hallmark (a state guarantee of quality?

Peter
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Re: 5 pfennig 1950 A (J.1504) - "a star in the diamond"
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2021, 11:18:46 AM »
in the attachment

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Re: 5 pfennig 1950 A (J.1504) - "a star in the diamond"
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2021, 12:01:15 PM »
Thank you. That is much clearer. The two c/s look much more alike, but they are still not the same. I can now see a 1 at 6 o'clock on both c/s. In the coin, the base of the 1 is longer and the top likely has a different slant.

I am not sure why you would want to give a silver coating to a kerosene lamp, but maybe that's what happened. That would make the c/s a hallmark. The square stamp may be an indication of the state office and perhaps fineness. See also this silvered item, that received a Soviet hallmark. This means that it can be identified: issuing agency and date range. Please search the internet in Russian for lists of Soviet hallmarks. Otherwise, send a PM to cam asking for help.

If it is a hallmark, the c/s on the coin can be identified as the work of a state agent who received his new hallmark punch and tried it out on the first useless piece of metal at hand.

Peter
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Re: 5 pfennig 1950 A (J.1504) - "a star in the diamond"
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2021, 02:58:14 PM »

If it is a hallmark, the c/s on the coin can be identified as the work of a state agent who received his new hallmark punch and tried it out on the first useless piece of metal at hand.

Peter

This is a good idea.
However, it confuses me:
1. An state agent with a hallmark punch is on the territory of the USSR.
2. Coin of the sample of 1950-s from the GDR.
There was a law that prohibited the export of money from the GDR. The law existed in the GDR and the USSR.

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Re: 5 pfennig 1950 A (J.1504) - "a star in the diamond"
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2021, 07:53:58 PM »
There are laws against murder also. Yet, murders happen. ;) A holiday souvenir? Just stuff, lying around?

Peter
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Re: 5 pfennig 1950 A (J.1504) - "a star in the diamond"
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2021, 04:46:21 AM »
Iron argument!  :)