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Offline maudry

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Civic Copper, lion and sun
« on: September 29, 2019, 02:18:42 PM »
This coin seems to be struck over another coin.
Size: 18X24mm
Weight: 4.47gr

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Re: Civic Copper, lion and sun
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2019, 10:04:17 PM »
Those overstrikes are the most difficult of them all. The style of the sunface, in particular the eyes, remind me of India, rather than Iran/Afghanistan.

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Re: Civic Copper, lion and sun
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2019, 11:59:27 AM »
Those overstrikes are the most difficult of them all. The style of the sunface, in particular the eyes, remind me of India, rather than Iran/Afghanistan.
I fully agree with "most difficult of them all" ! specially when the script is so rough... but not for an indian style of the lion : I think that both host coin and overstrike are persian.
It seems to me that the overstrike includes the central round cartouche  and the row  (or double row ?) of dots; I first thought that the short central word could be "Raij", but when it occurs as overstrike it is usually as a small counterstamp and I think that it is better here a mintname.
Nothing is certain but my guess is that could be "Lar " of which the "r" is witten like a loop in the strange manner noticed on the only Zeno coin and that Isfahan is the host coin ???...
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Re: Civic Copper, lion and sun
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2019, 07:09:00 PM »
Thank you very much for going that far in the Id of this coin.
The possible year looks like 113X or 112x It is probably linked to the host coin.

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Re: Civic Copper, lion and sun
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2019, 09:14:56 PM »
I may be completely wrong, but the sun of this coins looks very similar to the sun of Val. 68 Page 139.
The lower part where the lion is erased is just under the counterstamp of the other side.

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Re: Civic Copper, lion and sun
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2019, 09:50:46 AM »
the sun of this coins looks very similar to the sun of Val. 68 Page 139.
The lower part where the lion is erased is just under the counterstamp of the other side.
I turn the pictures in different ways and I don't see... ???
The Val. coin 68 was attributed to "Ra'nash" mint,  which is today controversed ; this coin dated 1033 & 1034 AH : "Ra'nash" is now read " 'Abbas" : and could be a state coin struck in name of the Shah  : "zarb falus 'Abbas".
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Re: Civic Copper, lion and sun
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2019, 11:29:59 PM »
The face of the sun is indeed different.
But the sunrays are very similar.
The top of the lion possibly as well.
Please check the pictures below.

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Re: Civic Copper, lion and sun
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2019, 01:24:48 PM »
I notice that the sunrays of "Ra'nash / 'Abbas" falus are often somewhat squarish and not numerous, the sunface has Y-shaped "nose-eyebrows" design. I join pictures of 4 coins of my own, may be that could help ?
(these coins are not very rare, except in good grade...)
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