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civic copper of Abushahr (sunface)
« on: September 07, 2019, 02:01:02 PM »
1st coin : some details are not easily legible due to light reflects; Is it possible to see a picture  without the coin holder ?
a copper  coin ?
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Re: civic copper of Abushahr
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2019, 10:12:19 AM »
These three coins were acquired at a coin show. Please help me identifying these coins
Weight:
Coin 1: 8.85 Grams

The face on the 1st coin which looks like an african mask is quite singular...
It seems to me that it could be a date on the other face ? unfortunately it's not clear on the picture but could be decisive for identification.
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Re: civic copper of Abushahr
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2019, 02:57:41 PM »
From the more legible picture of your 1st coin it appears that there is no date as I thought but only a mintname and many dots (both ornaments and diacritical ?)
A suggestion : this mintname could be : "zarb al-zabid الزبيد (Zabid / Yemen)
A local strike ? no much idea except that, from the style of script, it looks like  better from 18th AD.
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Re: civic copper of Abushahr
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2019, 04:24:49 PM »
Thanks a lot Saro.

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Re: civic copper of Abushahr
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2019, 08:50:29 PM »
This one has been in my mystery tin for a bit.  Not sure if it's the same but it looks very similar.

It does have a date AH12xx presumably.
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Re: civic copper of Abushahr
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2019, 08:36:03 AM »
Same coin for sure ! with the lower part of the legend written in a more "academic" manner... :) and which gives : "zarb Abushahr".
My tentative for "al-zabid" was wrong : it's a persian civic copper on which, from the 1st exemplar, it isn't easy to decipher the mint from the coarse script.
Nevertheless, I'm please to see that the datation fits with the style, as suggested...
Other squarish civic coppers of Abushahr exist but none like this one which seems to be listed anywhere.

From these 2 coins, the legend appears to be : "zarb Abushahr sanah 12xx  /  ۱۲ xx ضرب ابوشهر سنه   " , a coin struck at Qajars time.
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Re: civic copper of Abushahr
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2019, 09:25:35 AM »
 :perfect: :perfect: :perfect:

Brilliant teamwork gentlemen. A discovery coin and we got two of them! What a jaw-dropping thread. A big thank you to all participants. 8)

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Re: civic copper of Abushahr (sunface)
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2019, 01:33:54 PM »
Thank you Peter for creating a separate topic  :) ; It is now in the index....
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Re: civic copper of Abushahr (sunface)
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2019, 11:21:39 AM »
Thanks Saro
I'd not found another example of this type until the first showed up.
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Re: civic copper of Abushahr (sunface)
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2019, 02:13:44 PM »
And you have a scarce coin! at least 2 exist...
Some persian cities have so often changed the values of their copper coins, striking at each time a new coin, that, with no doubt, many new types will surfaced in the future. We can think that he scarcest ones are correlated to the shortest lifetime issues..
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Re: civic copper of Abushahr (sunface)
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2019, 09:41:00 AM »
I'd not found another example of this type until the first showed up.
I only discover now that this coin appears on World Coins Ed 1985 : KM1 / 1214 AH, and curiously, not on  recent editions.
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