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Quote from: brandm24 on November 02, 2019, 01:32:54 PMUgly is of course in the eye of the beholder, and I'm beholding ugly, Peter.
Quote from: brandm24 on November 02, 2019, 01:32:54 PMThe failure of the dollar coin is mostly due to people's aversion to carrying loose change around.
Quote from: GCVO on November 03, 2019, 09:41:36 AMThere is an aversion to that, but I don't think that was the main problem, which I think was that the coins were more cumbersome and expensive for retailers, through whom nearly all $1 denominations (either type) enter circulation. Even if the public had wanted the coins, retailers didn't want every load of $1s from the bank to get 8x heavier, and neither did their armored car service if they were large enough to use one.
Quote from: Figleaf on November 02, 2019, 09:06:07 PMNothing personal, Bruce. I just wanted to show how "ugly" and "beautiful" are determined by culture and therefore relative to the observer.Exactly!As for the clunky/clumsy/weight argument, that doesn't explain why the US is sticking to its much more cumbersome cents.Peter
Quote from: gpimper on November 02, 2019, 11:26:11 PMPeter, as I said, the penny is as obsolete as the Jalopy. Even the Nickle could go away and they would save millions. I think cash and coins are pretty much done...it's all electronic anymore. I know, I'm a pessimist :-)
Quote from: Figleaf on November 02, 2019, 09:06:07 PMAs for the clunky/clumsy/weight argument, that doesn't explain why the US is sticking to its much more cumbersome cents.
Quote from: chrisild on November 04, 2019, 01:52:58 PMA mix of inertia and the feeling to get "cheated" if one does not get exact change back. Why do, here in the EU, several euro area member states still continue using and even making those cumbersome 1 and 2 ct coins? What I find funny about the "American use" of coins: As far as I can tell, hardly anybody carries them (except, maybe, quarters) in order to make payments. So cash that you carry with the intention of spending is almost always "paper". Coins just end up in your pocket and (pen)ultimately in some jar ...Christian
Quote from: Figleaf on September 01, 2019, 11:00:15 PMOn to Saint Gaudens. He was older than Bartholdi and Perry, but his $20 piece was designed 1905-1907, which is after the statue of liberty was unveiled. He also studied in Paris. Bartholdi was not yet well known and an army officer serving away from Paris towards the end of the period Saint Gaudens was in Paris. They may or may not have met. Perry came to Paris years after Saint Gaudens had left.The liberty figure on his $20 piece (Libby S) looks quite different from Bartholdi's liberty (Libby B) and it is, but they are more alike than you'd think at first sight. Libby S takes energetic strides, but if Libby B would have done that she'd have toppled over long ago. Then, there is that torch. Where did Libby S get that torch? Why, from Libby B, of course. Saint Gaudens got rid of the sun crown, but what's that behind Libby S? Yup. The sun. What's really new is the branch she is holding. I can't make out the fruits, if any so I m not sure if it is laurel (victory) or olive (peace). Neither is a natural for Libertas.It looks like Saint Gaudens was influenced by the statue of liberty, rather than by Bartholdi, but still, Saint Gaudens, Bartholdi and Perry are a remarkable trio.See this thread for even more French and US Liberties.Peter
Quote from: brandm24 on August 02, 2020, 09:50:11 PMI just stumbled on this thread and was rereading it. Very interesting especially about the work of St. Gaudens. I checked the symbolism and found that the torch represents enlightenment. The "foliage" is the olive branch of peace.Bruce