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Civic copper of Erivan / small size, dated 1217 AH
« on: August 11, 2017, 09:52:02 AM »
Lovely small civic copper struck on a rectangular flan with a reverse design that I have never seen : ornaments of fishes ?

3,70g / 20mm x 12mm
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Re: Civic copper of Erivan / small size, dated 1217 AH
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2017, 10:16:05 AM »
An unusual design for sure but whether it could be fishes or stylised birds
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Re: Civic copper of Erivan / small size, dated 1217 AH
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2017, 10:30:21 AM »
Definitely ornaments. To be exact, two pomegranates, an islamic fertility symbol. See this post.

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Re: Civic copper of Erivan / small size, dated 1217 AH
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2017, 10:58:03 AM »
An elongated variety of pomegranate  :D , I'm not fully conviced...
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Re: Civic copper of Erivan / small size, dated 1217 AH
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2017, 11:11:39 AM »
Have you compared the other illustrations in that thread? Turn your coin 90° clockwise to see how the symbol fits in with those and note that the leaves of the top of the pomegranate can differ in size from one design to another.

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Re: Civic copper of Erivan / small size, dated 1217 AH
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2017, 11:54:29 AM »
Sorry Peter, I don't see any similarity  :-\
If the "fleur de lys" symbol on mamluk coins are not what they look like, is it to say that french kings had pomegranates on their crowns  :D
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Re: Civic copper of Erivan / small size, dated 1217 AH
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2017, 12:55:27 PM »
Dear Saro, it is the image of “two fishes” related to the "Zodiac symbol حوت (Pisces), for the 12th month إسفند in the Persian calendar from 20th of February to 20th of March."

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Re: Civic copper of Erivan / small size, dated 1217 AH
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2017, 02:10:52 PM »
Thank you Maythem.
Yes,the goldfish is a persian popular symbol; usually a pair of fishes are shown on many persian / afghan coins.
from the net : "Goldfish, it is the symbol for Pisces also known as Fishes, which was relevant in traditional Persian calendar. Iranians put goldfishes in Haft-Seen to indicate that the new year starts from this month. Nowadays it is also a symbol for Victory, Exhilaration, Blessing, etc."

in center the two curved lines are clearly swords.
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Re: Civic copper of Erivan / small size, dated 1217 AH
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2017, 04:11:17 PM »
Well explained, thank you Saro.

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Re: Civic copper of Erivan / small size, dated 1217 AH
« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2019, 05:23:59 PM »
I come back to this small oblong copper....
Some time ago (2 years may be ?) I found on the web a picture of a coin with the same style and arrangement of legend but of double weight : 7,43g /23,8mm .
It seems to me that they both belong to the same series and could be a half and a full falus (bisti and half ?)
It appears that this last coin of Erivan (Irevan) with a stylised lion is one of the three civic coppers illustrated in the "Handbook of Islamic Coins" by Michael Broome (picture 290)
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