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Offline Manzikert

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Zands, Karim Khan 10 shahi 1182AH / Isfahan
« on: May 23, 2019, 10:50:30 PM »
Zands, Karim Khan, Double abbasi of 10 shahi, Isfahan 1181 H, 9.21 gm, 22mm, Album 2796. These were apparently retariffed as 12 shahis in 1190 H.

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Re: Zands, Karim Khan 10 shahi
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2019, 11:04:01 PM »
Dear Alan, this coin is an AR 8-Shahi (AR 2-abbasi) and the date is at bottom of the second photo " 1182 ۱۱۸۲ ". The standard weight for silver Rupi (10-Shahi) is 11.5 grams. Please refer to a similar coin posted by saro on July 25, 2016:
http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,36016.0.html

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Re: Zands, Karim Khan 10 shahi
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2019, 11:43:35 PM »
Oops! Yes, of course you are perfectly right, 1182. When I searched the index I unfortunately didn't find Saro's coin, but I was looking for a 10 shahi.

However, Album says these are 10 shahis, and 'This denomination was incorrectly described as a double abbasi of 8 shahis in the first edition [of his checklist], corrected in the second.' I would definitely favour Album over Mitchiner.

He has 'AR rupi of 15 shahi (11.52g) ...' as his no. 2795, '... only struck at Isfahan from 1190 to 1193.'

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Re: Zands, Karim Khan 10 shahi
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2019, 02:27:26 AM »
Thank you Alan.

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Re: Zands, Karim Khan 10 shahi
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2019, 03:24:28 PM »
Karim Khan performed many devaluations which gave things somewhat complicated...
Table 5.3 of R.Matthee lists a rupi / 10 shahi (11,52g) and a double abbasi / 8 shahi (9,22g).
Comments given are (p.175):
in 1181 AH, Karim Khan devaluated his currency : he increased the value of existing coins against the toman; the standard of 1200 nokhud was reduced to 960, giving to the old rupi a value of 12,5 shahis.
In 1190, a new devaluation was operated, giving a value of 15 shahis to the rupi (std 800 nokhud)


Your coin weighing 9,22g and dated 1182, is the former "double abbasi of 8 shahi", which is now a "double abbasi of 10 shahi"

(I make a correction for my coin)
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Re: Zands, Karim Khan 10 shahi 1182AH / Isfahan
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2019, 09:28:13 PM »
Thank you Saro, well explained.

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Re: Zands, Karim Khan 10 shahi 1182AH / Isfahan
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2019, 10:31:44 PM »
Yes, that explains what was going on: the Iranian people at the time must have been just as confused as we are! I wonder how the people in outlying areas found out about the revaluations, letters sent out to the mosques and announced at Friday prayers perhaps?

I must pull out my copy of Matthee and reread it.

Alan