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Offline jkk

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Re: book on small Afghan bronzes
« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2019, 07:36:08 PM »
Update: I borrowed the ANA's copy of Tye (it will do me until my own copy arrives). And I had thought that the Qarlughids were easy because they were all #347!

All I can do is laugh along with a fine unintended joke.

I find the array of types so daunting that I have just scanned the page and printed a number of copies so that I can use a process of elimination by physically drawing a line through all types that a given piece cannot possibly be. It'll waste some paper (I have about forty of #347), but it seems the distinctions are so very fine (mostly dots and serifs) that I need to get a visual narrowing-down.
Jonathan

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Re: book on small Afghan bronzes
« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2019, 09:57:46 PM »
You can make your subtypes as detailed or coarse as you want ! Initial attribution as Tye#347 already is an important step. Subtypes may be of interest to specialists for specific purposed. But for a first start i would not overdo it ! I just classify the Tye#347 specimen in "Big horse" vs "little horse" (most are "Big horse").

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Re: book on small Afghan bronzes
« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2019, 11:37:20 PM »
Do I take it correctly, then, that the dots and serifs are the main distinguishers between the Tye #347 types? I notice some with arcs between the horse's head and chest. I also notice some with the central reverse letter in different shapes (serifs or not), but mainly with dots "here and here, but not right there" in various combinations. Is there anything else important I should be seeing?

Happily, nailing them as part of the 347 family seems the easiest part. I didn't find any other type these could be. They all have the horse on front, with what look like fetlocks kicking up behind the legs, and the same text on reverse in a 3 x 3 pattern of letters.

I will soon post a couple so that I can request more observation-based specifics. Right now I'm working my way through those I have already identified (or thought I had), confirming, correcting, and/or refining my classifications. I also printed out a couple of sheets of the Devanagari alphabet, so that I could get a start on absorbing it. It's clear that will make a big difference.
Jonathan

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Re: book on small Afghan bronzes
« Reply #18 on: June 07, 2019, 05:05:30 AM »
We received our 1911 edition yesterday.  Had to use a razor blade to open some pages...it's going in with the "really old cool books" book case :-)  Catie about lost her mind and we identified several more coins.  We'll post.  Thank you four the tip!
The Chief...aka Greg

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Re: book on small Afghan bronzes
« Reply #19 on: June 07, 2019, 07:02:01 PM »
Great you are progressing rapidly Greg !
The dots in Tye#347 are considered mint or year marks, but their exact meaning is unknown. The variabilities in the text are generally explained by small calligraphic errors that sometimes crept in.
Here the "Little horse" variant of your type:

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Re: book on small Afghan bronzes
« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2019, 02:27:47 AM »
I see that now.  Picked it up on a couple other coins we have.  Thank you!
The Chief...aka Greg

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Re: book on small Afghan bronzes
« Reply #21 on: June 14, 2019, 07:51:57 AM »
Tye is helping, but as luck would have it, right about the time the ANA copy shows up (limited time), a need comes along to help someone with her deceased husband's coin collection. Unless I tell her what a dealer should pay her (if she decides to sell), she'll get hosed. So that's keeping me away from the jitals for the moment.

However, it's not going to keep me away from learning to read Devanagari. It's obvious to me that until I learn to do that, I will be at an enormous disadvantage not just with many jitals, but with the many other coins that use this alphabet. So I bought a book, and now I'm writing down letters, dozens of repetitions, one at a time until I am sure I will remember which they are. And of course when I do become somewhat proficient, I'll learn that (of course) a number of letters used to be written very differently! Those also will have to be absorbed. But I will.
Jonathan

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Re: book on small Afghan bronzes
« Reply #22 on: June 14, 2019, 08:53:56 AM »
Here's a better way to learn Devanagari and it's free (available on other platforms also.)

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

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Re: book on small Afghan bronzes
« Reply #23 on: June 14, 2019, 03:30:07 PM »
Here's a better way to learn Devanagari and it's free (available on other platforms also.)

Peter

Looks like that publisher has some great stuff available, though it appears to require a so-called smartphone.
Jonathan