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Offline bagerap

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Deciphering an inscription.
« on: May 17, 2019, 02:04:07 PM »
An interesting line of research.


From finds.org.uk

A copper-alloy medal dating to the period 1790-1799. The medal was issued by the Society of Industry (founded 1783), to a boy named Sam Wright, aged 10. The medal is the work of John Milton (1759-1805) (Stainton 1983).

Obverse: PLENTY & PEACE ARE THE FRUITS OF INDUSTRY & SUBORDINATION; a draped female figure seated, holding an olive branch, while another female empties a cornucopia at her feet. Between them, a bee-hive.

Reverse: SOCIETY OF INDUSTRY FOUNDED XXIX NOVEMBER MDCCLXXXIII; text over four lines: 5 PREMIUM / SAM WR[IG]HT / AGED 10 / 179[ ].

This medal is testimony to an initiative undertaken in the 1780s and 90s to help poor children across some 143 parishes in Lincolnshire. At the time of writing, this is the only surviving medal that bears the name of the awarded child.

Full article:

Record ID: LIN-16C4CD - POST MEDIEVAL medal

I need advice on how best to bring out the buried engraving. I do know that the first line appears to be 10 Premium, which will make some kind of sense if you read the full finds.org link. The other inscribed medal is done in upper case block capitals. Mine in copperplate.




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Re: Deciphering an inscription.
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2019, 02:29:40 PM »
Can you do another photo of the reverse without using the flash?

I changed the image to B/W and inverted which helps a little but with a better photo I might get it a little better.

Perhaps email it to me directly.
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Re: Deciphering an inscription.
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2019, 02:37:13 PM »
Is the first word on the second line Matthew? Can't make out the surname though.

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Re: Deciphering an inscription.
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2019, 02:40:06 PM »
I think its Mafter i.e. Master. though could be Matthew
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Re: Deciphering an inscription.
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2019, 09:34:23 AM »
I'm now fairly confident the word is Mifstrefs (Mistress) but can't get much further. Still a problem with light it need a photo taken in daylight.

10 Premium
Rv. xx  ....perhaps  Bouyer
Mifstrefs xxx
Aug? 9 x 1787   I think its 1787 but this disagrees with the research but the fact its in script says it earlier.
« Last Edit: May 18, 2019, 09:49:35 AM by malj1 »
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Re: Deciphering an inscription.
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2019, 09:51:39 AM »
I am pretty sure it is Matthew.
The thing before the date looks somewhat like Ć.
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Re: Deciphering an inscription.
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2019, 11:55:51 AM »
Ć is a reasonably common abbreviation of ćtate, at the age of. But could it be Apr or Ap for April? At the end of that line is definitely a year (I think 1787). If I am right, there should be a numeral for the day of month in between.

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Re: Deciphering an inscription.
« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2019, 01:29:24 PM »
It could be Ć 9y 1787

The other known one also has only the year 179[ ].
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Re: Deciphering an inscription.
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2019, 05:17:03 PM »
I've been fortunate to find a facebook group dedicated to restoring old photographs, and they've had an initial play, coming up with  Martin William age 9 1787.

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Re: Deciphering an inscription.
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2019, 05:37:24 PM »
Although the work they have done is helpful, I am far from convinced.

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Re: Deciphering an inscription.
« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2019, 05:43:07 PM »
I do prefer Matthew, but the William looks possible

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Re: Deciphering an inscription.
« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2019, 06:24:30 PM »
William (rather than Williams) is an unusual surname, and it would seem odd to list two forenames and no surname. I can kind of make out the W but wonder whether the end of that word is actually ...son.


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Re: Deciphering an inscription.
« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2019, 02:02:02 PM »
There is also an one in the collection of Ghent University. That piece has an inscription that has yet to be deciphered too. Will see if I can get some images.

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Re: Deciphering an inscription.
« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2019, 02:19:05 PM »
I am reminded of Johnny Sleight ?
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