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Offline maudry

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This one has an uncommon reverse. I did not manage to link it to a ruler.

Size: 22mm
Weight: 11.32gr

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Re: Afganistan, 1 rupee
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2019, 05:50:00 PM »
Dear maudry, I am only trying to read the coin, hope I am correct:
Afghanistan, Shah Zaman, AH 1xxx/ Yr 1, AR Rupi, dar al-Sultanat Herat mint (AH 1207-1216/ 1793-1801 AD)
Observe:
Field
قرار یافت  بحکم خدای هر دوجهان رواج سکه دولت بنام شاه زمان
“qarar yaft bi-hukm-i khuda-yi, har du jahan rawaj-i, sikka-yi dawlat bi-nam-i shah-i zaman”.
“The coin of the realm was gained currency by the order of the Lord of Both Worlds in the name of the King of the Age”.
Reverse:
From bottom to top:
جلوس سنه ۱ ضرب دار السلطنه هرات  
Julus Sanah Zarb al-Sultanat  Herat, “struck at dar al-Sultanat Herat, in the year 1 of the accession”.
The date could be 1210 AH?

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Re: Afganistan, 1 rupee
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2019, 06:58:50 PM »
Thank you very much Maythem.
If it is the first year of his reign, the date should be 1207 or possibly 1208, no?

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Re: Afganistan, Durrani, Shah Zaman, Yr 1, AR Rupi, Herat mint
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2019, 07:29:51 PM »
Thank you maudry, I hope you are right because there are too many ones " 111 ۱۱۱ ", around Julus. I cannot make up the date, 1207, 1208 or 1210?

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Re: Afganistan, Durrani, Shah Zaman, Yr 1, AR Rupi, Herat mint
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2019, 10:17:06 AM »
I cannot make up the date, 1207, 1208 or 1210?
According to Whitehead:"Shah Zaman did not strike money there (ie. at Herat) till the time of his expedition against the city where he arrived on october 14th, 1797 (4th month of AH 1212). Gold and silver coins were  issued in 1212 with the second couplet; this type continued to the end of the reign."

This type is unlisted by Whitehead, if the mint is well Herat so the date should be 1212 or later; on the other hand, the couplet on this coin is the 1st one, which doesn't fit with Whitehead's comment;  ???
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Re: Afganistan, Durrani, Shah Zaman, Yr 1, AR Rupi, Herat mint
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2019, 04:10:40 PM »
Thank you Saro, as I mentioned, the date is not visible. As for the mint, the top two lines of the second photo looks like part of the word " Herat هرات " followed by part of " al-Sultanat السلطنة ".
The first photo reads:
The top line has the words " qarar قرار " and " khuda-yi خدای " visible.
The middle line the words " bi-nam-i shah-i zaman بنام شاه زمان " are visible headed by the last two letters of  the word " dawlat دولت ".
The bottom line the words " du jahan rawaj دو جهان رواج " are visible.
So I thought the couplet on this coin is correct.
Can you please help with the mint and date.

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Re: Afganistan, Durrani, Shah Zaman, Yr 1, AR Rupi, Herat mint
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2019, 04:44:46 PM »
This coin is specially difficult to fully identify.
Dear Maythem, I agree with your obverse reading, it is the Shah Zaman 1st couplet, but I have a somewhat different reading of the reverse (2nd picture) and I don't think that the mintname is "dar al-sultanat Herat" but better "Bakhar":
for me it is  : " ضرب بکهرجلوس میمنت مانوس  "
the date is still not clear :'(
Which  could explain the mismatch of couplet and date.

This reverse is similar to the one of a Bakhar gold coin of Taimur Shah /ref.Whitehead n°360
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Re: Afganistan, Durrani, Shah Zaman, Yr 1, AR Rupi, Herat mint
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2019, 07:01:52 PM »
Thank you Saro, great work. I was too far out. The mint is Bakhar ( بكهر ).
Reverse now reads:  " ضرب بكهر جلوس میمنت مانوس , Zarb Bakhar Julus Maymanet Manus ",  meaning, struck at Bakhar of the accession associated with tranquil prosperity. Looking at a similar coin on the following link, the date is 1211 AH, the digits " 12 ۱۲ " is off flan at 9 O'clock and digits " 11 ۱۱ " are above letter " s س " of the word " Manus مانوس ".
Reverse now reads:  " ضرب بكهر جلوس میمنت مانوس , Zarb Bakhar Julus Maymanet Manus ",  meaning, struck at Bakhar of the accession associated with tranquil prosperity. Looking at a similar coin on the following link, the date is 1211 AH, the digits " 12 ۱۲ " is off flan at 9 O'clock and digits " 11 ۱۱ " are above letter " S س " of the word " Manus مانوس ".
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Afghanistan – Durrani Dynasty – Shah Zaman (AH 1207-1216 / AD 1793-1801). Rupee AH 1211 (AD 1796/7). Mint: Bakhar, Silver ( ca. ø 21 mm – w. 11.31 g.). Edge: plain. A-3108, KM 303. Whitehead type 760-761.


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Re: Afganistan, Durrani, Shah Zaman, Yr 1, AR Rupi, Herat mint
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2019, 08:59:47 PM »
Perfect illustration of a similar coin! and easier to read ! :)...
and yes, the date should be 1211.
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Thank you Saro.

Maythem
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Another giant class thread, gentlemen. It warmed the old bones. Great stuff with a highly satisfactory outcome.

Peter
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Thank you Peter for your support.

Maythem
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Another giant class thread, gentlemen. It warmed the old bones. Great stuff with a highly satisfactory outcome.

Peter
Peter said all there is to say.
I can only add a big Thank You.