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Offline saro

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Surprisingly, it seems that no coins of these series have been yet posted on WoC...
Pilmar / Lesbos.
Greece acceded to autonomy in 1830 after a 10 years struggle with the ottomans but it isn't before the 1st balkans war in1912 that the island of Lesbos has been free.
This 40 para coin of Abdulmejid I dated 1255 AH / ry 22 (1860 AD) shows multiple counterstamps:
rev. : " λ " (9 o'clock )
obv. : a round counterstamp dated (1)306 AH at time of Abdul Hamid II : "Pilmar belediyesi" /" پیلمار  at 12 o'clock, 
 a (stylized ?)" π " at 4 o'clock and " Δπ  " at 9 o'clock.
       
« Last Edit: April 01, 2019, 11:08:00 PM by saro »
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Re: Turkey 40 para 1255 AH with greek counterstamps ( Pilmar / Lesbos )
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2019, 12:00:13 PM »
Great piece!

Here is another one:
« Last Edit: April 02, 2019, 05:59:13 PM by Afrasi »

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Re: Turkey 40 para 1255 AH with greek counterstamps ( Pilmar / Lesbos )
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2019, 12:01:37 PM »
 :applause:
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Re: Turkey 40 para 1255 AH with greek counterstamps ( Pilmar / Lesbos )
« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2019, 02:10:47 PM »
There is a very nice website to identify the countermarks on 40 para from Ottoman Empire.

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Re: Turkey 40 para 1255 AH with greek counterstamps ( Pilmar / Lesbos )
« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2019, 03:11:54 PM »
There is a very nice website to identify the countermarks[/url] on 40 para from Ottoman Empire.
Superb  :perfect: thank you very much !
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Re: Turkey 40 para 1255 AH with greek counterstamps ( Pilmar / Lesbos )
« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2019, 10:53:38 PM »
Here is my example: when cataloguing it years ago I read the date as 1308, but that website (thanks for the link saro) only seems to have the choice of 1301 and 1306. Looking at mine again I can't swear to any of these dates.

I have a total of 8 of these countermarked pieces, but this is the only 40 para. Perhaps I can start posts for 20 and 10 paras and others can weigh in with their examples.

Alan

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Re: Turkey 40 para 1255 AH with greek counterstamps ( Pilmar / Lesbos )
« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2019, 11:10:27 PM »
I read the date as 1306.
Yes : the date on the ctm is 1306 !
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Re: Turkey 40 para 1255 AH with greek counterstamps ( Pilmar / Lesbos )
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2019, 05:51:58 AM »
On the first coin, the counterstamp on the left photo at 8 o'clock is indeed probably λ (Lesbos?), but there is an outside possibility that it is γ.

Since Δ is a capital, I presume the rest is two letters ΤΤ, rather than π, which is not a capital. However, since P could stand for Pilmar, it may also be an improvisation for lack of a capital P. That still leaves the delta to explain.

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Re: Turkey 40 para 1255 AH with greek counterstamps ( Pilmar / Lesbos )
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2019, 09:49:37 AM »
According to the website altay found it stands for Δ(ημογεροντία) Π(λωμαρίου). Google Translate makes this 'Elders of Plomari' which seems fairly logical.

Alan