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undetermined Islamic bronze coin
« on: March 03, 2019, 02:37:02 PM »
Maybe someone can help:




Ottoman empire ?, , ? AD.,
( 16-17 mm / 2,92 g), copper,
Obv.: ... , Arabic script divided by curved lines.
Rev.: , six-pointed star with alternating circles and ornaments at ends, center dot.

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Re: undetermined Islamic bronze coin
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2019, 06:31:55 PM »
Dear Arminius, please note that first photo is upside down, I think the coin is:
LIBYA - Ottoman Para AH 1223 (1808 AD) MAHMUD II copper, Derna درنه mint.

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Re: undetermined Islamic bronze coin
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2019, 06:55:50 PM »
Thanks Maythem !

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Re: undetermined Islamic bronze coin
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2019, 10:44:00 AM »
Dear Arminius, please note that first photo is upside down, I think the coin is:
LIBYA - Ottoman Para AH 1223 (1808 AD) MAHMUD II copper, Derna درنه mint.

Maythem
No Libia,No Ottoman Para AH 1223 (1808 AD) MAHMUD II copper, Derna درنه mint.
This is Ottoman manghir Edirne mint

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Re: undetermined Islamic bronze coin
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2019, 04:15:26 PM »
Thank you gencho kitov, I thought the mint is Derna in Libya, but " Ederne (Adrianople) أدرنه " is in Turkey. The coin is Ottoman but the Sultan Mahmud II is yet to be confirmed.

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Re: undetermined Islamic bronze coin
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2019, 11:34:43 PM »
I looked at quite a few coppers from Edirne, but didn't find any with the six-pointed star. I aslo didn't find any coins from Derna (which doesn't mean they don't exist, but only that I didn't find them). I did find a Libyan coin with that star. KM117.

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Re: undetermined Islamic bronze coin
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2019, 11:48:35 PM »
I looked at quite a few coppers from Edirne, but didn't find any with the six-pointed star. I aslo didn't find any coins from Derna (which doesn't mean they don't exist, but only that I didn't find them). I did find a Libyan coin with that star. KM117.

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Same for me.
Before i asked for help here i searched zeno plus several sites for Ottoman coins without a match.
Looks like many different Manghir emissions are existing, many of these anonymous or unattributed and the surviving material is not very well struck and preserved. So its a high advantage the mint name is on this coin and still visible.
And - who cares about such a dirty small bronze ???

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Re: undetermined Islamic bronze coin
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2019, 11:05:15 PM »
Today i stumbled on my coin posted on Zeno:

Zeno - Oriental Coins Database - Anonymous AE manghir Edirne

Looks like "gencho kitov" posted it there with the related data of weight and size i posted here on WOC.



My label has been removed (overlapping traces on flan edges are still visible), no one asked me or informed me prior to that, no one cited the origin of the picture.
However WOC is cited by this link:
http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,44900.msg282266.html#msg282266

I would not deny a posting if im asked before and cited and if i would have a chance to post it by myself.
But Zeno is a closed society for me and others as they dont allow new registrations since a couple of years.

On the other hand they state on every single site:

"No part or portion of this page, text(s), image(s) or code(s) may be copied, reproduced, published or distributed by whatever way in any medium without the expressed written permission of the copyright holder, unless you are the owner of the uploaded image or you use the above mentioned matter for personal educational or scientific purposes with no intention of publishing it by whatever way under your or any other name."

Im not amused.

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Re: undetermined Islamic bronze coin
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2019, 08:16:59 PM »
Can imagine your reaction. Would have been simple to mail you whether you agreed to placing this on Zeno. I see the post on Zeno was made only yesterday. Did you already have contact with Gencho Kitov on this ?

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Re: undetermined Islamic bronze coin
« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2019, 08:54:42 PM »
Indeed, not according to netiquette. I am not registered on zeno either, but will very occasionally ask a registered member who is also registered on zeno to place it for me.

Since Mr. Kitov's first language is Bulgarian, not English and since zeno seems to require a white background - which may explain the partial removal of your label - and since there was a link to WoC, maybe it was well-meant?

Peter
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