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Offline capnbirdseye

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Normans in Sicily, AE follero, Messina, AH550
« on: January 18, 2019, 10:50:41 AM »
a small concave Byzantine type flan, circular Arabic legend.  EX is clear, not sure of first letter a V?  a W below, I cannot make out what the reverse represents

0.66g,   15mm
« Last Edit: January 21, 2019, 12:37:00 PM by capnbirdseye »
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Re: Islamic type coin with VEX-W in centre
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2019, 11:20:25 AM »
The center of your left picture does not look Byzantine to me. I'd think more of the Norman coinage of Sicily ?
The reverse is either Christ double struck or Madonna with Child.

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Re: Islamic type coin with REX-W in centre
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2019, 11:58:25 AM »
I only put Byzantine as an example of how the flan was dish shaped. I looked at Norman Sicily and found one example with circular Arabic legend but not like this one

Norman Kingdom of Sicily William II, r. 1166-1189 A.D. Messina Mint, AE Follaro, 17.23mm x 1.7 grams Obv.: + OPERATAT IN VRBE MESSANE outside, O / REX W / SCOVS in center (OV ligate) Rev.: Arabic legend "al'malik / Ghulyalim / al-thani" (King William 2nd) in center, "bi-amr al-malik al-musta'izz" around edge

No luck on zeno, I need to search under a wider field
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Re: Islamic type coin with REX-W in centre
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2019, 12:17:24 PM »
Id say the Madonna is the key:

From the Kunker sale catalog of the de Wit collection:

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Re: Islamic type coin with REX-W in centre
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2019, 12:27:58 PM »
Thank you Anthony, I've had no luck but this is the only ref so far, Guglielmo being the Italian spelling for William

I'll attempt to make the coin a bit more clearer I think
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Re: Islamic type coin with REX-W in centre
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2019, 03:15:40 PM »
I've replaced the photo after a bit of cleaning but the reverse is still rather poor but perhaps this coin is a rarity so better than nothing
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Re: Normans in Sicily, AE follero, Messina, AH550
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2019, 05:21:04 PM »
I like the coins from Norman Sicily.  The coin is a fractional follaro:

Normans in Sicily: Guglielmo I (1154-1166) Follaro Fraction, Messina (Travaini 302; Spahr 99; MEC Italy III 286-289a)

Obv: Bust of Madonna with Child; pellet between them; MP / ΘY to left
Rev: REX / W, in center, duriba Masini sanat 550 around edge, in Kufic script
Dim: 13mm, 1.02g, 9h

A gallery of my coins can been seen at FORVM Ancient Coins

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Re: Normans in Sicily, AE follero, Messina, AH550
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2019, 05:30:31 PM »
A much clearer example, the  figures are more obvious compared to mine
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Re: Normans in Sicily, AE follero, Messina, AH550
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2019, 10:40:24 AM »
I was confused by the reign number of William I, since that is this guy to me. I suppose the De Hautevilles started numbering again on becoming kings of Sicily.

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Re: Normans in Sicily, AE follero, Messina, AH550
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2019, 02:52:18 AM »
I've come across a number of Sicilians.  Mostly Byzantine replicas.  I'll post some. 
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