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Safavid, Shah Tahmasp I, AR Shahi, AH936? - CM Chapakrud mint
« on: January 13, 2019, 11:44:33 PM »
Countermark only half visible, as well as the coin.
So I believe this one will be challenging.
Size: 21mm
Weight: 3.71gr
« Last Edit: January 14, 2019, 10:47:18 PM by maudry »

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Re: Countermarked Safavid coin
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2019, 04:57:08 PM »
Dear maudry, the host coin is:
Safavid, Shah Tahmasp I, AR Shahi, AH936?, mint? (930-984 AH)
The margin text is:
السلطان العادل الکامل الهادی الوالی ابوالمظفر شاه طهماسب بهادر خان الصفوی خلدالله تعالی ملکه و سلطنه
Al-Sultan al-‘Adil al-Kamil al-Hadi al-Wali Abu al-Muzafar Shah Tahmasp Bahadur Khan al-Safavi, Khalad Allah Ta’ala malkahu wa sultanahu.
I am not sure about the date & mint?. Judging by the weight of the shahi, the date should be between 930 and 938 AH.

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Re: Countermarked Safavid coin
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2019, 05:04:37 PM »
Great id from only half a coin! Can anything be said about the countermark?

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Re: Countermarked Safavid coin
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2019, 09:02:50 PM »
Thank you Peter, I could not read the countermark.

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Re: Countermarked Safavid coin
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2019, 09:10:16 PM »
Great id from only half a coin! Can anything be said about the countermark?
yes !with very few doubt, I think that it is "Chapakrud"  /  " چپكرود  " a very rare mint.
« Last Edit: January 15, 2019, 08:16:06 AM by saro »
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Re: Safavid, Shah Tahmasp I, AR Shahi, AH936? - CM Chapakrud mint
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2019, 10:47:46 PM »
Thank you to both of you.

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Re: Safavid, Shah Tahmasp I, AR Shahi, AH936? - CM Chapakrud mint
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2019, 08:42:33 AM »
Hereafter how I transcript the ctm, which could be written" حکپرود " (Jakaparud).
This mint was first read as "Jankrud" by numismatists.

added : 2 ex of the mintname from coins
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Re: Safavid, Shah Tahmasp I, AR Shahi, AH936? - CM Chapakrud mint
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2019, 08:49:13 AM »
Thank you Saro for your detailed explanation.

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Re: Safavid, Shah Tahmasp I, AR Shahi, AH936? - CM Chapakrud mint
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2019, 09:25:14 AM »
 :applause: :applause: :applause:
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Re: Countermarked Safavid coin
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2019, 09:47:23 AM »
Dear maudry, the host coin is:
Safavid, Shah Tahmasp I, AR Shahi, AH936?

Dear Maythem,
I wonder if the host coin couldn't be from Isma'il Shah I ? I would read the date as "928"  ???
legends of these rulers are very similar and unfortunately, the ruler's name here is not present.
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Re: Safavid, Shah Tahmasp I, AR Shahi, AH936? - CM Chapakrud mint
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2019, 11:30:07 AM »
Thank you Saro, part of the visible legend indicates Shah Tahmasp I, as for the date, it was a choice between " 3 and 2 ۲ ۳ " and I chose 3 because of the Shah reign period started at "930 AH". Isma'il I Shah legend does not use the word " Ta’ala تعالی ", but in this coin it is visible at 6 O'clock. Please find below the Shahi possible texts for both Isma'il I and Tahmasp I:
Isma'il I Shah:
" السلطان العادل الهادی الوالی ابوالمظفر شاه اسمعیل بهادر خان خلدالله ملکه و سلطنه "
" السلطان العادل الکامل الهادی الوالی ابوالمظفر سلطان اسمعیل بهادرخان الصفوی الحسینی خلدالله ملکه "

Tahmasp I Shah:
" السلطان الهادی شاه طهماسب بهادر خان الصفوی الحسینی خلدالله ملکه و سلطنه "
" السلطان العادل الکامل الهادی الوالی ابوالمظفر شاه طهماسب بهادر خان الصفوی خلدالله تعالی ملکه و سلطنه "

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« Last Edit: January 15, 2019, 12:03:22 PM by aws22 »
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Re: Safavid, Shah Tahmasp I, AR Shahi, AH936? - CM Chapakrud mint
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2019, 11:53:12 AM »
Isma'il I Shah legend does not use the word " Ta’ala تعالی "
You are right Maythem, that's a good reason !
and I see now the last "6", the date is well 936  :) (what I took for "8" is indeed a part of a word more or less erased)
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Re: Safavid, Shah Tahmasp I, AR Shahi, AH936? - CM Chapakrud mint
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2019, 12:04:02 PM »
Thank you Saro, judging by the weight of this shahi, the date should be between 930 and 938 AH, so both 936 ۹۳۶ " and " 938
۹۳۸ " are possible dates for this coin.

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