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Ancient Islamic coin made into an amulet: Hungary Bela III

Started by capnbirdseye, December 31, 2018, 01:51:58 PM

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capnbirdseye

I spotted this on Ebay and could not resist as it looked rather interesting,  very likely a recent find with a metal detector, clearly an Islamic copper coin but it needs cleaning a bit to make the legends clear,  weight is 1.61g
Vic

THCoins

Quoteclearly an Islamic copper coin

Except that the text seems jibberish, and i suspect it is from Hungary ?

capnbirdseye

Quote from: THCoins on December 31, 2018, 01:58:10 PM
Except that the text seems jibberish, and i suspect it is from Hungary ?

What you read as jibberish may be an ancient lost language with magic properties and with a curse on all who deny it's origins :D

No idea where it originated, the coin was from a UK seller, have you seen something similar before?

The patina etc looks 100% genuine   so not a modern fabrication
Vic

aws22

#3
Dear Vic, the inscriptions are similar to a Sicilian Tari (contemporary imitation), that I have posted on October 22, 2018.
http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,43915.0.html

Maythem
Coin collecting has a curious name. It is also called the "Hobby of Kings".

capnbirdseye

It seems very similar Maythem, mine has the appearance of being excavated, I've just noticed that the split ring is ornamented on both sides, those green dots are actually shallow holes filled with clay or whatever
Vic

THCoins

I was serious about Hungary. From memory this is a pseudo-islamic issue of king Bela II or III of Hungary, 12th-13th century.  ;)

capnbirdseye

Quote from: THCoins on December 31, 2018, 03:58:15 PM
I was serious about Hungary. From memory this is a pseudo-islamic issue of king Bela II or III of Hungary, 12th-13th century.  ;)


I'll see if I can find anything more, it only cost me £2.20  + postage so not a great loss if it's just junk
Vic

aws22

#7
Dear Vic and Anthony, I found a similar coin referred to as "Hungarian coin that is an imitation of an Almoravid dinar with corrupt Arabic inscriptions, Hungary: Bela III (1172 – 1196) AE Rézpénz (Huszár-73, Unger-115, Mitchiner-510,511).
https://www.cointalk.com/threads/medieval-william-ii-of-norman-sicily.269885/
The holes are often seen during the late Middle Ages as women punched holes to create jewelry from "old" coins. They created belts and necklaces, and even earrings, and this act of using old and foreign coins was very popular in central Anatolia, and throughout the Islamic Middle East. A lot of Beduin jewelry is made this way even today.

Maythem
Coin collecting has a curious name. It is also called the "Hobby of Kings".

Pellinore

A very interesting link with all the detailed responses.
-- Paul

aws22

Coin collecting has a curious name. It is also called the "Hobby of Kings".

capnbirdseye

Great detective work Maythem  8)  i found another one on zeno complete with a hole, the thread is quite long and interesting

https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=87856
Vic

aws22

Coin collecting has a curious name. It is also called the "Hobby of Kings".

Pellinore

You obviously scored a bull's eye, Vic! Wonder if the seller can tell where the coin was found.

-- Paul

capnbirdseye

Quote from: Pellinore on December 31, 2018, 06:15:33 PM
You obviously scored a bull's eye, Vic! Wonder if the seller can tell where the coin was found.

-- Paul

The seller is not a coin dealer, he sells artifacts, arrowheads, Roman bits & pieces and such like but I'll see what he says
Vic