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Offline ZYV

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Fine old Cu-Ni token
« on: December 04, 2018, 09:35:38 PM »
Attribute it, please.
2.97 g, 21 mm.
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Re: Fine old Cu-Ni token
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2018, 09:38:41 PM »
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Re: Fine old Cu-Ni token
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2018, 09:42:24 PM »
https://picclick.co.uk/Swiss-token-CGTE-La-compagnie-genevoise-des-352481068667.html

Another version of abbreviation.
It looks like more correct.
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Re: Fine old Cu-Ni token
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2018, 12:03:35 PM »
I agree that Genevoise is the better option. Provided that the token is Swiss (likely, since it is not in Elie), only Geneva and Lausanne have enough size for a tramway. In Lausanne, few streets would be suitable for a tramway, though, because of height differences. Geneva still has a tramway system and it was called CGTE in the past.

Now, the trick is to find the logo on the trams or busses. While I failed to do so, I did find a summary description of the logo for the period 1906-1930 here that seems to match what is on your token: Monogramme avec les lettres CGTE entrelacées - monogram with the letters CGTE intertwined. A picture of a tram or bus from this period where the logo is seen and identifiable would complete the evidence.

Peter
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Re: Fine old Cu-Ni token
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2018, 01:02:20 PM »
Thank You for the answer, dear Figleaf!

The token has denomination.
How it was used?
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Re: Fine old Cu-Ni token
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2018, 02:12:51 PM »
There are similar French tokens, mostly with denominations below 50. Around the 1920s, the French and Swiss francs were still around par (lingering influence of the Latin Monetary Union). Geneva tram lines are relatively short. Therefore, I suspect that these were one way tickets for a ride on the tram, perhaps with restrictions, e.g. city centre only or child ticket. You'd have to find a list of tariffs for the period 1906-1930 for better information.

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Re: Fine old Cu-Ni token
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2018, 06:06:23 PM »
I YouTube-searched for Geneva trams and came across a couple of sequences of historic tram parades in the city. A number of obsolete logos were shown on the older vehicles, but none of them are at all similar to the intertwined monogram on ZYV's token.

Clearly, the relevance of that observation depends on the completeness of the collection of historic trams available to enthusiasts to drive around Geneva and be videoed. I may be expecting too much here by analogy to Gothenburg, where the tram museum not only has an example of all types used since electrification in 1902 but also drives them regularly on the network.

I would also point out that CGTE could at least as likely stand for Compagnie Générale des Tramways Electriques as anything else.

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Re: Fine old Cu-Ni token
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2018, 08:43:36 PM »
I would also point out that CGTE could at least as likely stand for Compagnie Générale des Tramways Electriques as anything else.

Not really. It doesn't work in French. Tramway is typically a municipal undertaking, while Compagnie Générale implies an enterprise working nationally. You can have a Société Générale de Banque or a Compagnie Générale des Eaux, but Société Générale de Tramways sounds like a garage owner using pluralis majestatis. :)

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Re: Fine old Cu-Ni token
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2018, 08:56:51 PM »
Not the same, but certainly similarities ?