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Iran Qajar Nasir ed-din Shah / Qiran Meshed mint AH1287
« on: December 02, 2018, 10:52:21 PM »
Nice little coin.
Last digit could also be a 2  ???
Size: 16mm
Weight: 4.76gr

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Re: Iran Qajar Nasir ed-din Shah / Qiran Meshed mint AH1287
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2018, 04:07:46 AM »
Dear maudry, the date is " 1278 ۱۲۷۸ ", the last digit " 8 ۸ " is above digit " 7 ۷ " below the letter " Z ض " of the word " Zarb ضرب ". This type of hammered coin was minted in years 1277 & 1278 AH.
Nice decorative coin.

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Re: Iran Qajar Nasir ed-din Shah / Qiran Meshed mint AH1287
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2018, 10:24:10 PM »
Thank you Maythem.
Now I see the date correctly.

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Re: Iran Qajar Nasir ed-din Shah / Qiran Meshed mint AH1287
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2018, 03:05:39 PM »
Now I see the date correctly.
1287 or 1278 ? I would say 1287 as initially proposed (more likely, the "8" like character over the "7" is an ornament)
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Re: Iran Qajar Nasir ed-din Shah / Qiran Meshed mint AH1287
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2018, 03:58:52 PM »
Thank you Saro, I agree it is more like a " 1287 ۱۲۸۷ ".

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Re: Iran Qajar Nasir ed-din Shah / Qiran Meshed mint AH1287
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2018, 07:33:59 PM »
1287 or 1278 ? I would say 1287 as initially proposed (more likely, the "8" like character over the "7" is an ornament)
Thank you.
That's how I read the date indeed.
But that would mean that the type has been minted later than only in AH1277 and AH1278.
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Re: Iran Qajar Nasir ed-din Shah / Qiran Meshed mint AH1287
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2018, 10:05:47 PM »
Thank you maudry, dates 1277 & 1278 AH were mentioned by a Persian reference as being the only years for minting this type of coin, but there are exceptions and I do agree with Saro that the mint date is 1287 AH.

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Re: Iran Qajar Nasir ed-din Shah / Qiran Meshed mint AH1287
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2018, 11:11:29 AM »
Wouldn't it be possible that an inexperienced die cutter, charged with adding a date on the die, switched around two numerals of the date?

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Re: Iran Qajar Nasir ed-din Shah / Qiran Meshed mint AH1287
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2018, 09:04:06 PM »
Wouldn't it be possible that an inexperienced die cutter, charged with adding a date on the die, switched around two numerals of the date?
If we judge from the beautiful flowered back ground and the nice calligraphyI think that it was more likely an expert and skilfull die engraver. His only mistake is to have put an ornament over the last digit which has induced a confusion among XXIth c. numismatists !  :D
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Re: Iran Qajar Nasir ed-din Shah / Qiran Meshed mint AH1287
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2018, 11:14:42 AM »
Adding the date is usually done by a lesser die cutter on a die that is already complete, except for the date. By not adding the date immediately, the die remains usable, even after a new year has started. This is a widespread practice all over the world, that was maintained even after machines were introduced, except that on later coins, the date was punched into the die, rather than engraved. Inexperienced engravers easily forget that they need to insert characters in mirror image on the die. Rotation of characters is also not rare.

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Re: Iran Qajar Nasir ed-din Shah / Qiran Meshed mint AH1287
« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2018, 11:54:10 AM »
Nothing is impossible on coins ::)... but here, I don't think that could be a digit; I have found a "7" at 11 o'clock which is too an ornament
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Re: Iran Qajar Nasir ed-din Shah / Qiran Meshed mint AH1287
« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2018, 03:16:25 PM »
Thank you Saro for the clarification.

Maythem
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