Author Topic: Eire 1966 10/- commemorative  (Read 5057 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline ghipszky

  • Moderator
  • Honorary Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1 170
Eire 1966 10/- commemorative
« on: September 08, 2008, 04:43:49 AM »
I got this coin a long time ago, simply because it was Irish. The seller told me the first name, but I didn't look into it as my roman coins were the priority.
I thought I would post it here and learn its history.
Ginger

EDIT: Title
« Last Edit: August 23, 2010, 02:49:43 PM by UK Decimal + »

Offline blackev

  • Member
  • **
  • Posts: 92
Re: Not for sure who this coin is
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2008, 05:25:53 AM »
The coin is a 10 shilling (half of an Irish pound) 1966 Irish coin commemorating the fiftieth anniversary of the Easter Rising in 1916.
There was a mintage of 2,000,000 for circulation and 20,000 proof versions.
It features Patrick Henry Pearse (one of the leaders in the Easter Rising) on the "obverse".
On the reverse it depicts Cúchulainn (an Irish mythological hero from Ancient Gaelic literature) it looks like the scene of his final battle, the raven on his shoulder was the confirmation to his enemies that he was dead (as they were afraid).

The coin is 83.5% silver and 16.5% copper.
The coin was not popular and as many as 1,270,000 may have been melted down.

The ten shilling is the only Irish coin to feature an inscription on edge until the Irish euro coins.
It does not have the Harp (An unusual thing for an Irish coin).

Ref:
http://www.irishcoinage.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Padraig_Pearse
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuchulain#The_Death_of_C.C3.BA_Ro.C3.AD
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_ten_shilling_coin

P.S when I was in school the teacher would tell many of the Cúchulainn stories, I quite enjoyed them.

-blackev

Offline ghipszky

  • Moderator
  • Honorary Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1 170
Re: Not for sure who this coin is
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2008, 08:50:03 PM »
Thank you Black Ev and Aidan for the great explanations. I have never heard of Easter Rising, what was it about??? And I have both of Frank McCourt's audio books and he mentions Cúchulainn.
This is off topic, but doesn't Robert Plant use his image on one of the Led
Zeppelin Album covers, or was that some other Celtic hero?
Ginger

Offline blackev

  • Member
  • **
  • Posts: 92
Re: Not for sure who this coin is
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2008, 09:43:53 PM »
Ginger I've never had anyone call me Black Ev before.
My name is Kevin Hipwell, the name blackev stemmed from an online game name I used when I was younger.

-blackev

Offline ghipszky

  • Moderator
  • Honorary Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1 170
Re: Not for sure who this coin is
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2008, 05:10:38 AM »
Sorry Kevin!
Ginger

Offline Figleaf

  • Administrator
  • Honorary Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 28 770
Re: Not for sure who this coin is
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2008, 01:12:22 AM »
When you visit Dublin, there is little to remind you of the Easter rising in the Dublin GPO, where it took place. You learn more at Kilmainham Gaol, outside the centre. This is now a museum. The story of the hangings and atrocious shootings that took place there throughout its existence are heavy ammunition against the death penalty. Information available in the museum notes that after Irish independence, executions in the prison went to a new height as political adversaries settled scores. It is an intensely emotional place, blessed with impressive honesty, good taste and respect from the museum staff.

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

Offline Figleaf

  • Administrator
  • Honorary Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 28 770
Re: Eire 1966 10/- commemorative
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2018, 07:05:43 PM »
The Dublin GPO mentioned above is still breathing the atmosphere of 100 years ago. Part of that atmosphere is heavily polished and richly decorated wood furniture. Here is a writing desk in the GPO. In the background is Cúchulainn in a window looking out on the street. The statue was moved there for "safety reasons". In fact, the window mirrors the light so badly you cannot photograph the statue from the outside, so I bought a postcard instead.

The legend has it, that the wounded Cúchulainn demanded to be tied to a post. His enemies did not dare approach him until a raven landed on his shoulder, showing him to be dead. In fact, one of the party in the GPO in 1916, James Connolly, was so badly wounded he had to be executed bound to a chair. The parallel is clear.

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

Offline <k>

  • Moderator
  • Honorary Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 19 919
Re: Eire 1966 10/- commemorative
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2018, 07:09:06 PM »


Let's show the two right next to one another.

Offline bagerap

  • Honorary Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1 232
Re: Eire 1966 10/- commemorative
« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2018, 02:15:32 AM »
What I find amazing is how many of these, essentially commemorative, coins circulated. Clean pieces are getting hard to find.


Offline Figleaf

  • Administrator
  • Honorary Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 28 770
Re: Eire 1966 10/- commemorative
« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2018, 10:34:23 AM »
Quite so, Mr. B. The dealer I bought my copy from had only cleaned coins. I got a discount, though >:D

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

Offline akeady

  • New Member
  • *
  • Posts: 12
Re: Eire 1966 10/- commemorative
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2018, 08:13:54 PM »
What I find amazing is how many of these, essentially commemorative, coins circulated. Clean pieces are getting hard to find.

Apart from the 20,000 proofs, they were intended as circulating coins, but apparently were not popular - a 10s note was commonly used at the time and the decimal 50p arrived in 1970, filling in as a 10s coin until decimalisation in February 1971.   Interestingly, the 1966 10s coins were apparently overlooked when most other pre-decimal coins were demonetised on decimalisation (only the 1s = 5p and 2s = 10p survived), so they continued to be legal tender until the introduction of the Euro in 2002, though they were worth more than 50p for their silver content and so didn't circulate.

ATB,
Aidan.


Offline <k>

  • Moderator
  • Honorary Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 19 919
Re: Eire 1966 10/- commemorative
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2018, 10:11:33 PM »
I don't own one of these, so I've just looked at the dimensions on Wikipedia:

It measured 1.2 inches (30 mm) in diameter and weighed 18.144 grams.

That compares to a diameter of 28mm for the old florin. The later 50p was 30 mm.

This 10 shilling coin had a thickness of 3.21 mm. Compare that to the thickness of the UK round pound, which was 3.15 mm. And at 18 g, the Irish 10 shillings was very heavy - what's the closest circulation coin to that? Probably the Australian 50 cents at 15.55 g.

Offline Prosit

  • Moderator
  • Honorary Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3 850
    • Austrian Coins, Tokens and Medals
Re: Eire 1966 10/- commemorative
« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2018, 11:05:18 PM »
Is there an easy way to tell the business strike from the proof?

Dale

Offline akeady

  • New Member
  • *
  • Posts: 12
Re: Eire 1966 10/- commemorative
« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2018, 03:12:21 AM »
Is there an easy way to tell the business strike from the proof?

Dale

Hi Dale,

The proof should be much more reflective than the normal strike - I have one of each, I couldn't locate the Unc. one tonight to put them side by side, but the separate attached photos should show the difference.

ATB,
Aidan.