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Offline Rasmus

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Russia - 1 kopeika 1727
« on: September 17, 2018, 06:45:58 PM »
Hi!

Anybody have information what it is?
is it Novodel N-K2 or just an fantasy?

Can't find information regarding this type and year.

Thanks

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Re: Russia - 1 kopeika 1727
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2018, 08:04:48 PM »
Anybody have information what it is?
is it Novodel N-K2 or just an fantasy?
Can't find information regarding this type and year.

There is a good article on this topic.

V. KORETSKY, "THE HISTORY OF ONE MISTAKE"
http://www.historymania.info/view_post.php?id=175

The general conclusion of Koretsky:

".....all the variants of kopeks in 1727, Moscow, both "genuine" and "novodelnyh", of course, must be considered counterfeits that are not of interest to numismatists."
"Those at the top of the mountain didn't fall there."- Marcus Washling.

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Re: Russia - 1 kopeika 1727
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2018, 11:50:27 AM »
Very interesting! Enjoyed the thorough research, which proves that the coins could not have been made in 1727 and that altered dates are common.

Not sure if novodels are not of numismatic interest, though. Yes, they are forgeries and never circulated, but if I would have collected Russian coins of this era, I would have liked one novodel to illustrate the concept to those who would want to see my collection. I would have marked it clearly as a novodel, of course.

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

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Re: Russia - 1 kopeika 1727
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2018, 06:49:14 PM »
Thanks, so novodel it is....
meantime found thatone also from Konros catalog as under pattern coins with # 524/13

But just wondering, why all these Russian novodels are added to Krause Catalog?
Are some of them more official than others?

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Re: Russia - 1 kopeika 1727
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2018, 11:56:13 PM »
This coin is a fake, not a novodel. A true novodel would be very interesting and rare, fake obviously is not.

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Re: Russia - 1 kopeika 1727
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2018, 09:46:27 AM »
Of course, this is a fake!
"Those at the top of the mountain didn't fall there."- Marcus Washling.