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Offline mitresh

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Jahangir: Copper Dam, Agra, Rawani......Nazrana ornamental type!
« on: September 08, 2018, 06:10:53 PM »
Mughals, Jahangir, Copper Dam, Agra, 20.08g, AH 1021 RY 7, Rawani type

A copper 'Nazrana' type strike / border with ornamental decorations !
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Re: Jahangir: Copper Dam, Agra, Rawani......Nazrana ornamental type!
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2018, 03:57:50 AM »
A copper 'Nazrana' type strike / border with ornamental decorations !
Mitresh, It is time senior collectors like us start using the correct terminology to describe a coin and not use the traders terminology. This is not a Nazrana / Nazrana type strike. One can call it a full strike or what ever. Nazarana were coins specially struck for gifting....... something akin to the proof coins of today....... special care was taken, the coins would have had better finish etc. This, recently framed term 'Nazrana type' has been coined by traders to help them improve margins or add to their realizations............. Not a term a seasoned collector would or should use.

Amit
PS: Sorry for sounding so rude first thing on a Sunday morning........but, the use of this and other such terms really get me. Have you ever heard any senior collector like Jan or Shailen use this term? Sorry.
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Re: Jahangir: Copper Dam, Agra, Rawani......Nazrana ornamental type!
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2018, 09:25:57 AM »
I understand your emotions, Amit. I support your reasoning. However, take into account that this is fighting a losing battle.

I vividly remember the anger of the numismatic community when the first "Dutch" pseudo-coin appeared: Netherland Antilles KM 14, "25 gulden" 1973. It was damned for everything from not circulating to omitting the signature of Prof. Wenkebach, whose designs were used. I wrote some articles against such pieces and got them published. The only feedback was a protest that maundy money would be considered non-circulating also. ::) When we started this site, I was still protesting non-circulating pieces and calling them pseudo-coins. I was told I was irritating people and achieving nothing. From time to time, the most egregious nonsense pieces can still work me up and I claim the right of an old geezer to be grumpy, but I have drawn new battle lines. People should collect what they want to collect, as long as they know what they are getting into. In the long run, I'll lose that one too.

The message of my story is that you are up against commercialism, greed, inertia and worse. You can't win against those forces. You cannot even delay them. You can just vent your spleen (wherever your spleen is) once in a while.

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Re: Jahangir: Copper Dam, Agra, Rawani......Nazrana ornamental type!
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2018, 06:04:41 PM »
I understand your emotions, Amit. I support your reasoning. However, take into account that this is fighting a losing battle.
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The message of my story is that you are up against commercialism, greed, inertia and worse. You can't win against those forces. You cannot even delay them. You can just vent your spleen (wherever your spleen is) once in a while.
I do understand the position, Peter.  However, I was trying to convey to the senior collectors (as distinct from traders) to use the correct terminology so that their followers may (and it will be a big may) pick up the correct description of coins.......... I know that there is no way one can win against the traders ..... where greed, commercialisation etc will come in to play....... seasoned and senior collectors do not have that motive. May be they try to pick up words from the petty traders rather than try to get the trader to change........ (a loosing proposition).

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Re: Jahangir: Copper Dam, Agra, Rawani......Nazrana ornamental type!
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2018, 05:04:06 PM »
I believe here we have two issues .one is motive of sellers "whom so ever it may concern" but definitely such terms are quite a marketing gimmicks to attract investors into this hobby.

Other point is does collectors are aware or ignorant .So In  my opinion mix of both .

It is trend now to mislead buyers (collectors /investors) both without giving proper details generally most of the coins are with out proper weight or missing in description  furthermore even mint is off it would be attributed " by style ' total nonsense .

I expect this should be stopped without any excuses.
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