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Germany: 2019 Commemorative Coins
« on: December 14, 2017, 10:44:00 PM »
In 2019 the Federal Republic of Germany plans to issue one commemorative €2 coin ... or maybe two? Will see.

One commem we know about: The German States series will be enhanced or interrupted :) by a piece dedicated to the Bundesrat, the states chamber of the federal parliament so to say. The reason for the modified issue plan is explained here. Now 2019 is the 70th anniversary of the country (the Federal Republic of Germany was founded in 1949) but also of the Bundesrat - and by picking the Bundesrat anniversary, the coin will at least have something to do with the German states ...

As in 2018, there may be a second €2 coin one year later. There are rumors that it could honor Walter Scheel, minister of foreign affairs and then (1974-79) president. Scheel was born in 1919, so the piece would be issued for the 100th anniversary, like the Helmut Schmidt coin. Once again, whether this second piece will actually come, and who or what it will be about, has not been decided yet.

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Re: Germany: 2019 Commemorative Coins
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2018, 05:01:38 PM »
Here is the design of the "Bundesrat" coin, to be issued in January 2019 with a total mintage of 30 million (Image: BMF/BVA). The country specific side shows the Bundesrat building in Berlin, formerly the Prussian House of Lords. This building has been the seat of the Bundesrat since September 2000.

This obverse was designed by Michael Otto - and apparently he wanted or had to come up with something that resembles the other issues in that series as closely as possible: No jubilee-specific design, just some building. No reference to the anniversary such as "1949-2019", just the year of issue. A collector who knows about the German States series but does not speak German, and is not familiar with the structure of the Federal Republic of Germany, may believe that those Germans now have an additional state called Bundesrat. >:D

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Re: Germany: 2019 Commemorative Coins
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2018, 08:33:57 PM »
and here I thoUgh that Bundesrat translated as Federal Rat or something to that effect. I simply put it down to those weird deutsch ways

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Re: Germany: 2019 Commemorative Coins
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2018, 01:20:58 AM »
Larger image (same source) of the Bundesrat coin. I still don't like it ...

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Re: Germany: 2019 Commemorative Coins
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2018, 02:01:00 AM »
and here I thoUgh that Bundesrat translated as Federal Rat or something to that effect. I simply put it down to those weird deutsch ways

Now that you know that Rat is council in English, can you guess what a Kanadaberater is? >:D

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Re: Germany: 2019 Commemorative Coins
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2018, 02:15:25 AM »
Now that you know that Rat is council in English, can you guess what a Kanadaberater is? >:D

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Re: Germany: 2019 Commemorative Coins
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2018, 11:08:23 AM »
Wasn't it FDR who (is supposed to have) said "He may be a Rat but he is our Rat"? Now I understand ... And yes, words in languages that one does not speak or understand may indeed sometimes look or sound funny. That is why I wrote that for people who do not know German but are in some way interested in the German States series, the new "state name" may look odd. As for that design, well, if the primary idea was that it should look just like one of the Länder coins, the job is well done.

Maybe the federal government did not want to emphasize the Bundesrat anniversary too much, as this is of course also this country's anniversary: The Federal Republic of Germany was founded in 1949, and both "parliament chambers" so to say, Bundestag and Bundesrat, were established in that year. Since the coin simply fills a gap (see the link in the initial post) in the German States series, it does make sense to honor the Bundesrat as the representation of the Länder. And using the building is a little boring yet otherwise OK. I also see why "70 Jahre Bundesrat 1949-2019" might be too much text for a coin (in fact, pill only) of that size with that building design. But four extra digits and a dash should have been doable.

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Re: Germany: 2019 Commemorative Coins
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2018, 12:46:20 PM »
By the way, even though the design is supposed to "fit in" and thus look like a German States series piece, this coin is not part of the series. Not that this makes a big difference :) but the Numismatic Office recently reminded collectors who are subscribed to that series that the Bundesrat coin needs to be ordered separately if you want it.

The coin will be issued on 29 January; mintages should be 30 million again. Also, this will be the only €2 commem issued in 2019.

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Re: Germany: 2019 Commemorative Coins
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2018, 02:24:05 PM »
That got me thinking about how to make the connection between Rat and council for anglophones. The connection is in the old English word rǣd (council). For an archaic use look no further than Harald Hardrada. For an example of modern use, add the negation "and" to rǣd to form ādrǣdan (council against) a forerunner of the modern word dread.

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Re: Germany: 2019 Commemorative Coins
« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2018, 06:27:27 PM »
To make things more complicated, we also have the words "Konzil" and "Konsil" in German. The first one refers to a church council/convention, the latter is the advice that a doctor (typically at a hospital) asks and gets from a specialist.

Side note - a city hall is a "Rathaus" because it houses the council (Rat) of a city. One time a friend of mine saw the subway station name "Tonhalle" here, and thought, ah yes, town hall. Ah no, "Ton" means sound, and that is a concert hall. :)

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Re: Germany: 2019 Commemorative Coins
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2019, 12:39:52 PM »
Yes, there will be a second commemorative €2 coin from Germany this year. And no, it will not be about Walter Scheel. The German government adopted the French design of the Berlin Wall Opening Anniversary coin (see this topic); so there will once again be a French and a German coin, much like the Elysée Treaty pieces issued in 2013. Except that in this case the German decision came quite a bit later ...

Here is the federal government's press release (in German); the attached image is from that page. The coin will be issued, with a total mintage of 30 million, later this year. The exact date has not been determined yet, but the Berlin Wall opened on 9 November 1989. Now this 9-Nov will be a Saturday this year, so expect an issue date shortly before that ...

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Re: Germany: 2019 Commemorative Coins
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2019, 07:52:48 PM »
We have a date, and a figure. :)  Mintage will be 30 million again, and the coin will be issued on Thursday 10 October.

Christian