Modifications to the obverses and reverses of the 1, 2, 5 and 20 euro cent coins

Started by FosseWay, August 27, 2018, 03:17:57 PM

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TychoBrahe

Quote from: eurocoin on April 09, 2024, 02:52:52 PMThe grid has been updated again as 3 new variants were discovered.

The legend of the grid is as follows:

O means minted with old reverse,
N means minted with new reverse,
O/N means that the coin exists with both old and new reverse,
- means that the coin does not exist.

As can be seen, in total there are 19 coins that exist with both old and new reverse (O/N). Of the following 8 coins both variants were minted for circulation:

Austria 2 cent 2017
Austria 1 cent 2018
Austria 5 cent 2018
France 2 cent 2018
Slovenia 5 cent 2019
Spain 1 cent 2018
Spain 2 cent 2018
Spain 5 cent 2018

Of the following 11 coins only one of the variants was minted for circulation and the other was only released in sets:

Austria 2 cent 2018: Old reverse in sets only, new reverse minted for circulation
Slovakia 1 cent 2019: Old reverse in sets only, new reverse minted for circulation
Slovenia 1 cent 2018: Old reverse minted for circulation, new reverse in sets only
Slovenia 2 cent 2018: Old reverse minted for circulation, new reverse in sets only
Slovenia 1 cent 2020: Old reverse minted for circulation, new reverse in sets only
Slovenia 2 cent 2020: Old reverse minted for circulation, new reverse in sets only
Slovenia 1 cent 2021: Old reverse minted for circulation, new reverse in sets only
Slovenia 5 cent 2021: Old reverse minted for circulation, new reverse in sets only
Slovenia 1 cent 2022: Old reverse minted for circulation, new reverse in sets only
Slovenia 2 cent 2022: Old reverse minted for circulation, new reverse in sets only
Slovenia 5 cent 2023: Old reverse minted for circulation, new reverse in sets only

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Thank you very much for this very interesting list. I appreciate this and your future updates. Now I have to look for some coins missing in my collection!

eurocoin

Thank you for your kind message, and welcome on World of Coins Forum. I am glad that you like the information.  :)

eurocoin

An interesting discovery was made. Spain has introduced an amended reverse on its 20 euro cent coins. The 2023-dated pieces exist with both old and new reverse, whereas the 2024-dated pieces only depict the new reverse. Furthermore Andorra will likely use the new reverse for its 2024-dated coins, that are being minted by the Spanish mint this year.

A comparison of the old (left) and new (right) reverse of the 20 euro cent coin. On the new reverse the figure 2 is more round, and the figures 2 and 0 do not touch the border. Furthermore Greece and Cyprus were made larger. The rim is also much thinner.

Spain 20 euro cent 2023 reverse.jpg


eurocoin

I find the thinner rim on the pieces with the new reverse very ugly.

eurocoin

Despite numerous attempts to contact Monnaie de Paris in regard of the French piece that was minted with the new reverse, no reply was ever received. Mints like this, that clearly do not care about numismatics, should be excluded from all fairs and awards.

eurocoin

The European Commission (in the person of Ms Stoice...), will early next year provide me further information in regard of these changes.

Earlier I had already sent an official information request to the Commission but almost the entire content of the pages was censored. The fact that information about such a small and trivial change is being kept secret is a good example of the lack of transparency of the EU institutions.

eurocoin

Austria has introduced the new reverse on its 20 euro cent coins. The country is the first to also introduce new reverses on the 10 and 50 euro cent coins. The 50 euro cent coin now contains a new security feature, micro dots, over the map. This security feature was so far only being used on the 1 and 2 euro coins.

austria-10-euro-cent-2025.webpaustria-50-euro-cent-2025.jpg

eurocoin

France has also introduced the new reverse on its 10, 20 and 50 cent coins dated 2025. The 1, 2 and 5 cent coins of France still depict the old reverse. Possibly they will update the reverse of these denominations when France introduces the new obverse designs on its 1, 2 and 5 cent coins. That will likely happen next year.

Illioplius

Interesting... I guess I like the "topographic" map without the microdots more, though. By the way, is really France going to change design on 1, 2 and 5 cent coins?

FosseWay

Quote from: Illioplius on January 06, 2025, 03:05:11 PMInteresting... I guess I like the "topographic" map without the microdots more, though. 
I've no particular preference, but I do note that the new reverse has the Scandinavian mountains in the right place, along the border between Sweden and Norway, and not along Sweden's Baltic coast as previously.

Illioplius

Quote from: FosseWay on January 07, 2025, 02:12:16 PMI've no particular preference, but I do note that the new reverse has the Scandinavian mountains in the right place, along the border between Sweden and Norway, and not along Sweden's Baltic coast as previously.
I have just inspected a 50 cent coin with new obverse (not type 2025) under a magnifying glass, but I couldn't see what you mention. I can see the mountains along the western coast of the Scandinavian peninsula, thus according to reality. It's very hard to tell on such a small scale, though.

FosseWay

Quote from: Illioplius on January 07, 2025, 05:53:20 PMI have just inspected a 50 cent coin with new obverse (not type 2025) under a magnifying glass, but I couldn't see what you mention. I can see the mountains along the western coast of the Scandinavian peninsula, thus according to reality. It's very hard to tell on such a small scale, though.
I was comparing eurocoin's images above, which show an old-style 10 cent and new-style 50 cent. But yes, it is difficult to be sure on this scale, and any given coin may show differently depending on strike quality, wear and lighting.

eurocoin

I have now updated the table of the 1, 2 and 5 cent coins and created one for the 10, 20 and 50 cent coins.

The legend of the table is as follows:

O means minted with old reverse,
N means minted with new reverse,
O/N means that the coin exists with both old and new reverse,
- means that the coin does not exist.

As can be seen, in total there are 20 coins that exist with both old and new reverse (O/N).
Of the following 9 coins both variants were minted for circulation:

Austria 2 cent 2017
Austria 1 cent 2018
Austria 5 cent 2018
France 2 cent 2018
Slovenia 5 cent 2019
Spain 1 cent 2018
Spain 2 cent 2018
Spain 5 cent 2018
Spain 20 cent 2023

Of the following 11 coins only one of the variants was minted for circulation and the other was only released in sets:

Austria 2 cent 2018: Old reverse in sets only, new reverse minted for circulation
Slovakia 1 cent 2019: Old reverse in sets only, new reverse minted for circulation
Slovenia 1 cent 2018: Old reverse minted for circulation, new reverse in sets only
Slovenia 2 cent 2018: Old reverse minted for circulation, new reverse in sets only
Slovenia 1 cent 2020: Old reverse minted for circulation, new reverse in sets only
Slovenia 2 cent 2020: Old reverse minted for circulation, new reverse in sets only
Slovenia 1 cent 2021: Old reverse minted for circulation, new reverse in sets only
Slovenia 5 cent 2021: Old reverse minted for circulation, new reverse in sets only
Slovenia 1 cent 2022: Old reverse minted for circulation, new reverse in sets only
Slovenia 2 cent 2022: Old reverse minted for circulation, new reverse in sets only
Slovenia 5 cent 2023: Old reverse minted for circulation, new reverse in sets only

1, 2 and 5 cent coins:

Variants 1, 2 and 5 cent coins.png

10, 20 and 50 cent coins:

Variants 10, 20 and 50 cent coins.png

TychoBrahe

Thank you @eurocoin for your precious search. Tomorrow I will start to look for the 2 x 20 cent Spain 2023... I have only one.