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Offline ZYV

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Dancing De Viking in VALKENBURG LB
« on: August 08, 2018, 11:06:23 AM »
There is information about night club-emitent in
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%BA%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B1%D1%8E%D1%80%D0%B3-%D0%B0%D0%BD-%D0%B4%D0%B5-%D0%93%D1%91%D0%BB
But I can't find information about the token.
Please, tell:
when it was made?
how it was used? 
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Re: Dancing De Viking in VALKENBURG LB
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2018, 11:32:40 AM »
Valkenburg is a town. As there are two by that name in the Netherlands alone, the province (Limburg, LB) is added. The issuer is "De Viking", a musical bar in Valkenburg. The bar closed in 2005. It was situated at Grotestraat centrum 26, a pedestrian street.

There are many thousands of such tokens. In most cases, they served as "waiter's tokens". If the issuers organised a special event, they hired extra waiters. To prevent non-trusted waiters from pocketing receipts, clients were requested to pay in advance for their beers at a window, manned by a trusted person. The client would pay the waiter with the tokens.

In reality, an added attraction of the tokens was that some, like yours, were not redeemed.

Peter
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Re: Dancing De Viking in VALKENBURG LB
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2018, 09:06:18 PM »
Dear Figleaf,
thank you very much for the information!
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Re: Dancing De Viking in VALKENBURG LB
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2018, 12:32:30 AM »
In most cases, they served as "waiter's tokens". If the issuers organised a special event, they hired extra waiters. To prevent non-trusted waiters from pocketing receipts, clients were requested to pay in advance for their beers at a window, manned by a trusted person. The client would pay the waiter with the tokens.

Peter

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Re: Dancing De Viking in VALKENBURG LB
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2018, 09:49:12 AM »
You are of a dignified age, Paul. Otherwise, you would know that they are still around. They are used at youth festivals and events, at carnaval celebrations and at beach drinking holes. They are in fact so much used that I found complaints about Chinese imitations. :)

Similar tokens, but with a different purpose, are used on fair grounds.

Peter
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Re: Dancing De Viking in VALKENBURG LB
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2018, 03:37:36 PM »
In most cases, they served as "waiter's tokens". If the issuers organised a special event, they hired extra waiters. To prevent non-trusted waiters from pocketing receipts, clients were requested to pay in advance for their beers at a window, manned by a trusted person. The client would pay the waiter with the tokens.

Please allow me a correction. These tokens are not "waiters tokens"  as they are not used by waiters but by the customers to obtain refreshments from a bar. Indeed there are no waiters employed at most events. The use of waiters tokens is explained here: http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,43081.msg270202.html#msg270202

One reason for the use of tokens is indeed the elimination of cash to prevent fraud. Another reason is to simplify the process of "buying" consumptions, by elimination the change giving process. This reduces the number of employees (bartenders) needed and hence costs.

Nowadays in events (I am speaking about the Netherlands) small square plastic tokens are used. These are sold in sheets from which individual pieces are broken off for use. Often these tokens can be broken in two as well. Allowing "half" units to be used.  Some examples of single pieces (front and back) are shown below.

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Re: Dancing De Viking in VALKENBURG LB
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2018, 08:12:59 PM »
Depends on the circumstances. The Heineken events are not the same scale as the stuff "De Viking" would have organised. Heineken wouldn't need to hire extra staff.

Peter
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Re: Dancing De Viking in VALKENBURG LB
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2018, 03:31:22 PM »
the dancing also used different plastic tokens.

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Re: Dancing De Viking in VALKENBURG LB
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2018, 08:11:20 PM »
TFP jezuss. I think the piece in the first post is plastic also, making this a vivid illustration of hoe issuers would change the colour of their tokens to cash in on those not redeemed.

Peter
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Re: Dancing De Viking in VALKENBURG LB
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2018, 09:06:13 PM »
picture in the first post looks like the brass token.
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Re: Dancing De Viking in VALKENBURG LB
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2018, 09:09:39 PM »
Good point. I should have noticed the oxidation.

Peter
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