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Telecoms machinery date and number disk
« on: July 23, 2018, 03:06:35 PM »
Uniface
2.73g
22.8mm

150096 (countermark) / 1909

I think this must be from a telecoms device of 1909.
Any thoughts?
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Re: Telecoms machinery date and number disk
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2018, 08:52:08 AM »
Perhaps relating to an excise tax as used in the US? :-\
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Re: Telecoms machinery date and number disk
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2018, 06:23:00 PM »
According to https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histoire_du_t%C3%A9l%C3%A9phone_en_France

From 1901 until 1914, two types of subscriptions existed: the unlimited conversation package, 400 francs in Paris and 300 francs in Lyon, and taxed conversation subscriptions with phones provided by the administration.

Perhaps it's something to do with the latter?

Also in 1908: 182,000 telephone subscribers in France.

Or perhaps each apparatus was numbered?

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Re: Telecoms machinery date and number disk
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2018, 10:40:00 AM »
The lightning bolts are likely to refer to electricity. I see nothing helpful beyond that. The engraved number personalises the piece, but why? I don't remember when the first 6 digit phone numbers appeared in France but 1909 seems too early.

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Re: Telecoms machinery date and number disk
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2018, 11:09:06 AM »
My thoughts were based on this PTT button
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Re: Telecoms machinery date and number disk
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2018, 12:06:51 PM »
The lightning bolts are likely to refer to electricity.

The logo of the Swedish Kungliga Telegrafverket (Royal Telegraphs Agency) was a crowned star with a varying number of lightning bolts coming out of it. In the infancy of both domestic electricity supply and electr(on)ic communication, the lightning bolt stood for nothing more than "modern, up-to-date" - much as the @-sign was used 10-20 years ago to show the same thing, even when not directly connected to an email address.

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Re: Telecoms machinery date and number disk
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2018, 01:49:23 PM »
Maybe just a label off something and attached with a screw through the centre.

The lack of an inscription would be unusual, for instance see this Belgian Telegraph token from WoT.
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Re: Telecoms machinery date and number disk
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2018, 03:21:46 PM »
But why the countermarked number and date?  :-\
And such a high number at that!
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Re: Telecoms machinery date and number disk
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2018, 05:35:53 PM »
The number may not be as high as you think it is.

In French administrative culture, there is a penchant for working codes into numbers, rather than using purely sequential numbers and for leading zeroes. This makes numbers very long, as many position-number combinations are not or not wholly used. For instance, my bank account number starts with five digits for the bank and five positions for the branch. (I don't think there are 100 000 banks in France or that any bank has 100 000 branch offices.) The next five positions, two of which are used, indicate the type of account. The actual account number is only six numbers, including a leading zero. The last two numbers are a calculated checksum. Similarly, the number on your piece could be something like department 15 (Cantal), number 96 (e.g. M. Martin.)

If so, the piece was issued by a large, nationwide governmental organisation and likely served for identification of an official. Until recently, officials were discouraged from identifying themselves by name.

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Re: Telecoms machinery date and number disk
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2018, 06:03:40 PM »
Thanks for that Peter ???  I've only worked in computing for n years! :-*
Some proper examples from 1908 would really help.
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Re: Telecoms machinery date and number disk
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2018, 12:15:52 AM »
How do we know its French anyway? location proves nothing after 109 years.

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Re: Telecoms machinery date and number disk
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2018, 12:25:01 AM »
How do we know its French anyway? location proves nothing after 109 years.

To answer my own question ....Because its Italian!

Roma Cap 00100 Lazio - Telegraphic brand delivered to the delivery man
he gave the recipient a telegram or a call waiting for one
phone call to be received at the time and day agreed at a PTP; at the end
of the working day these tokens were converted into money whose
amount varied based on the deliveries made.

See this List

I see it s bracteate rather than uniface? ???
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Re: Telecoms machinery date and number disk
« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2018, 05:53:06 AM »
Well done Mal! 8)
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