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Fake 1847 (Large 7 over 7) One Cent?
« on: June 08, 2018, 04:32:40 PM »
10.85g
27.25mm
Depth 2.55mm

Diameter: 28.5 mm
https://www.usacoinbook.com/coins/247/large-cents/braided-hair-liberty-head/1847-P/normal-date/
I'm assuming this one is wrong. I've let them know.

Diameter: 27.5 mm
http://www.coinfacts.com/large_cents/braided_hair_large_cents/1847_large_cents/1847_large_cent_varieties.htm
Lots of variants listed!  I haven't looked at them all.....

It seems to have commensurate wear?
I'm a bit puzzled.  Fake or no, your thoughts please.  Many thanks ;D
« Last Edit: June 08, 2018, 04:47:07 PM by redwine »
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Re: Fake 1847 (Large 7 over 7) One Cent?
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2018, 10:45:57 PM »
Always hard to judge from a photo, but it looks OK to me. Weight loss jives with wear. All the bits and pieces are correctly aligned. Had some doubts on the chin, decided it was the light on the bright spot.

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Re: Fake 1847 (Large 7 over 7) One Cent?
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2018, 02:15:48 PM »
Thanks Peter.  ;D
What about the width though?  How accurate were they in those days?
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Re: Fake 1847 (Large 7 over 7) One Cent?
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2018, 03:43:16 PM »
The width of the rim? It's basically the same as comparable coins in your second link, but wider than the rim on the coin we all agree is a fake.

In 1847, everything that is mechanised today was already mechanised, though with a different level of technology of course. Coins would be designed on large plaster models, dies would be cut with lathes. Coins were struck in a collar. In other words, in principle they were all pretty much alike, until the design was reviewed or old dies were re-engraved to prolong their lives.

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Re: Fake 1847 (Large 7 over 7) One Cent?
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2018, 08:05:44 AM »
Sorry Peter, I was talking diameter.  What were the tolerances in those days?
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Re: Fake 1847 (Large 7 over 7) One Cent?
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2018, 10:15:54 PM »
The difference of žmm is so small that it is insignificant. It could just be due to the calliper or the way the coin was placed in it; even if it was only slightly askew. My calliper also gives me two decimals, but I round them off to one.

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Re: Fake 1847 (Large 7 over 7) One Cent?
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2018, 11:46:06 AM »
Thanks Peter  8)
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Re: Fake 1847 (Large 7 over 7) One Cent?
« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2019, 05:02:19 AM »
Looks like the real deal to me.  Pretty penny!  She's in great shape.  If it were silver or gold I would expect shaving and  possibly re-strike.  Penny, not so much.  Just my take 🧐
There were over 6 million minted.
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Re: Fake 1847 (Large 7 over 7) One Cent?
« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2019, 01:33:24 AM »
Looks good to me too.
While no coin is immune to fakery, I haven't ever heard that these were extensively faked.
Too many other better candidates to fake.

Of these types I have two. A very well worn 1830 and a nice 1850.
This is a series I am picky about the color or at least I was in the past when I collected
some (maybe 30). Not so concerned with wear.

Nice coin!

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Re: Fake 1847 (Large 7 over 7) One Cent?
« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2019, 05:45:06 AM »
Dale, I'd very much like to see a pic of that 1850.  Sounds like a nice coin.  I just got an 1889 that is amazing.  If I ever get my photo software back up to speed I'll post :-)
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Re: Fake 1847 (Large 7 over 7) One Cent?
« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2019, 12:35:05 PM »
I think the coin is genuine. Everything seems as it should be, but the chin threw me too. I also think it's the bright spot that tricks the eye.

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Re: Fake 1847 (Large 7 over 7) One Cent?
« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2019, 03:24:48 PM »
I will try to remember to post it tonight
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Dale, I'd very much like to see a pic of that 1850.  Sounds like a nice coin.  I just got an 1889 that is amazing.  If I ever get my photo software back up to speed I'll post :-)