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Offline freddobar

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1912 5 Gulden Coin Netherlands KM# 151
« on: April 18, 2018, 04:10:25 AM »
I was wondering if anyone could clear up a question I have regarding this coin.

According to Kraus 37th Ed;-

"NOTE: Excepting the World War II issues struck at U.S.
mints, all of the modern coins were struck at the Utrecht Mint and
bear the caduceus mint mark of that facility. They also bear the
mintmasters’ marks."

However their photo shows in place of privy marks/mint marks a couple of diamonds with lines. 

I saw someone claim that this meant it was a later restrike.

Anyone out there know for sure?

Cheers

Chris

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Re: 1912 5 Gulden Coin Netherlands KM# 151
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2018, 09:13:03 AM »
This type did not have mintmark and mintmaster mark.

Dutch gold coins were hoarded and used for small scale speculation before the second world war, abused during the famine of 1944 but a symbol of the post-war recovery as well as the return of the house of Orange, albeit with little practical use around 1950 and 1960.

This is likely to be a jeweller's copy of that period. Compare the hair of the portrait with that on a genuine coin.

Peter
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Re: 1912 5 Gulden Coin Netherlands KM# 151
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2018, 10:25:35 PM »
Thanks for the insights. 

Looking at the hair it does appear 'soft' for the apparent lack of circulation of the coin -


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Re: 1912 5 Gulden Coin Netherlands KM# 151
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2018, 01:56:45 AM »
Not just the hair, also the mantle and the necklace and I found some subtle differences. The most obvious the hair sticking out at the back of the neck. I am convinced that it is a jeweller's fake.

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Re: 1912 5 Gulden Coin Netherlands KM# 151
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2018, 08:39:14 AM »
Thanks for your insights on this

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Re: 1912 5 Gulden Coin Netherlands KM# 151
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2018, 09:51:20 AM »
In my opinion yours is a genuine piece as far as this can be told from a photo. An article about the earlier fakes can be found here:
http://debeeldenaar.nl/wp-content/uploads/archief/De-Geuzenpenning/De-Geuzenpenning_1968_03.pdf (in Dutch).

With regards to the mintmark question, the statement in Krause is not correct. Apart from the 5 G piece, as already mentioned, also the copper-nickel round (1907-1909) and square (1913-1940) 5 cent coins are also without mint and mintmaster mark. The same applies to the US struck piece of 1943 for use in Surinam and Curacao. Also the later coins of this type for Curacao (1948) and the Netherlands Antilles (1957-1970) are without mint and mintmaster mark.

The five types of zinc coins, struck in Utrecht during the war (dates 1941-1944) have a mintmark onlly, the mintmaster mark is lacking on these pieces.