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Celtic Rouelle / Wheel
« on: April 04, 2018, 03:14:06 PM »
Well, it could be a steering wheel from a toy tractor? :-\
Either way it's interesting! 8)  The lack of a complete circle gives me hope given the way they were made.  See at 6 o'clock.
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Re: Celtic Rouelle / Wheel
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2018, 03:25:46 PM »
As I am sure you are aware the existence and usage of the 'celtic wheels' is highly disputed. Your piece does however certainly look like one of these objects referred to as 'celtic wheel'.

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Re: Celtic Rouelle / Wheel
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2018, 03:40:25 PM »
Erm, Lead wheels have been found with other Celtic votive material.  See http://www.gaulois.ardennes.culture.fr/accessible/en/uc/05_01_01-Nanteuil-sur-Aisne
Thanks to https://balkancelts.wordpress.com/tag/celtic-cult/

There are other pieces which were used in making cloth.  Highlighted somewhere else on this site.
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Re: Celtic Rouelle / Wheel
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2018, 03:41:59 PM »
Interesting!

I have potins, but no rouelles.

Here's the reason for the flat spot (you know why of course, but others may not):
https://www.ma-shops.com/poinsignon/item.php?id=63831&lang=en

Because the casting method of manufacture doesn't give as much surface detail as striking, I guess it's harder to work out die chains.
But I'm also guessing it's original. That's the beauty of simple coinage - forgers have shinier things to aim for, leaving these for us!

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Re: Celtic Rouelle / Wheel
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2018, 04:02:17 PM »
Those are rather nice!  8)
Indeed, I had a chat with someone who reckoned he could make them using cuttlebone.  I might have a go one day.....
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Re: Celtic Rouelle / Wheel
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2018, 05:03:50 PM »
The definition of rouelles as celtic coins is not generally acknowledged in numismatics and most certainly not in archeology. I can add to this that I have found a 'celtic wheel' myself in an area where I have also found a celtic coin (for the experts amongst us: a so-called 'rainbow cup') yet I do not acknowledge them as coins and highly doubt they are celtic.

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Re: Celtic Rouelle / Wheel
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2018, 06:38:35 PM »
My mistake, I should have put this piece somewhere else.
I have no idea whether they were used in a numismatic fashion. 
But, introduce a Welshman to a sheep...............
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Re: Celtic Rouelle / Wheel
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2018, 11:41:05 PM »
The wheel is the symbol of Taranis. While there are Celtic rouelles, their problem is that they are found in huge quantities at places of religious significance, even outside inhabited areas, while they are rarely found elsewhere. They are mostly regarded as religious offer pieces.

An additional problem is that very similar pieces were made and used as spindle whorls, up to around 1900. See this short article in French.

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Re: Celtic Rouelle / Wheel
« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2018, 07:06:18 AM »
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Re: Celtic Rouelle / Wheel
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2018, 05:19:35 PM »
Look on the bright side, it's closer to a coin than a toy train wheel  ;D ;D

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Re: Celtic Rouelle / Wheel
« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2018, 05:23:22 PM »
Yes! ;D
It's important to be on the brighter side ;D
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