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Offline Abhi

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A mysterious coin of the world: The secret alchemist society coin

There are coins that sell for hundreds and thousands of dollars due to their premium value and rarity. They are the prized possessions that everyone wants to get.  And yet there are coins that are high in rarity, but shrouded in mystery, making them into an enigma that few can decipher.
A mysterious coin of the world was found on a sunny day by a 10 year old boy Ruben Coronel in 1970 in La Pampa, Argentina. He had dug six metres deep into the ground during the excavation of a well with the help of a relative and the discovery of the brass coin startled him. The words on the legend had no meaning. TPNID AHDTAO, ANOTH, NOT, words which have baffled some keen followers for 5 decades. Most importantly, the coin was dated 1404, which seemed improbable due to the make of the coin as the coins in 1400s were crude, but nevertheless it seemed to be some important date.
This discovery was well documented in the Primera Hora newspaper and the young boy became a sensation with people bidding him big sums of money for parting with the coin, but he did not.
Argentine lawyer and filmmaker Demtrios Charalambous who has been studying ancient totems was baffled with the coin and he tried to trace the owner for a long time without success, meeting different people with the same name as the boy. He was later able to meet the same boy who had become a man, but he said that he had lost the coin during the shifting of his home. Demetrios estimates that this coin was minted or made between 1850-1870 in North America.
But this coin surfaced in other parts of the world, but it is less than 5 known. An American dug it in his yard, and said that the property also revealed some old Argentinian coins. He thought that the previous owners had come link with South America and brought some coins from there while in military services. The coin was similar to the liberty head coin of America.
The year 1404 is quite significant for one reason. It was the year that the act of Multipliers was passed by the British parliament forbidding alchemy or in other words, Alchemy was banned. On January 13, 1404, King Henry IV outlawed alchemy by law of multipliers. The alchemists were on quest for the Philosopher’s Stone that could lead to transmutation of metals and was the elixir of life.
Multiplication could lead to multiplying of precious metals and this could pose a threat to the kingdom, felt Henry IV. This could lead to sudden enrichment of sinister forces, he felt.
Alchemists are people, a closed society, bit like Shamans that find ways to make gold and precious metals from base metals. Many countries have had a tradition of alchemists and talks are rife about Paras Patthar or alchemist stone in India that could turn base metals into gold.
The year 1404 is important for the alchemists as they went into hiding or stopped revealing their profession, they wound up their establishments or laboratories and went into hibernation, but the secret societies did not end.
The TPNID coin depicts the same year, the date which has become a buzzword in the alchemist circles. Their societies have never ended, their work is on. They mad e these coins as part of the society. The legend probably depicts the names of elements, metals or compounds used in alchemy.
The Rosicrucian order was founded in 1607. Their documents narrate the mysterious life of an alchemist who travelled to various parts of the world to gather secrete knowledge. Their second document tells about the secret society of alchemists who wanted to change the political and social face of Europe. It is said that Rosicrucianism led to the emergency of Freemasonry later on.
This coin has had a past though shrouded in mystery of a secret society. It is not known how many were minted but they are very few in present age, probably less than 10 or close to 5.
It is important that the story of this coin be established so that the world can know more about it as it is a vignette from our past and presents a big chapter of an unknown mystic science called alchemy,

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Photos of Alchemist coin and 1970 news item in Primera Hora
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2018, 06:58:27 AM »
Rube Coronel with the coin

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Re: A mysterious coin of the world: The secret Alchemist society coin
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2018, 11:52:38 AM »
Alchemy is not a science. At best, it is a semi-religious proto-science. At worst it is voodoo. Though it is considered a precursor of chemistry, it got all the chemical basics wrong, so its conclusions could be right only by coincidence. Alchemy was debunked in the early 18th century. Later followers are either credulous hobbyists or charlatans. Terms from alchemy are sometimes evoked in modern works of fiction, where they are used to create an effect of magic or horror, such as the philosopher's stone in the Harry Potter books. The piece shown in the picture is a modern strike (it looks 19th century) based on modern design. It was produced after the inglorious end of alchemy. Therefore, it is a lark or an attempt to defraud.

The date 1404 has no particular meaning. Alchemy continued to be practiced and written about without hindrance for centuries. As for being a "coin of the world", it is not a coin and there are few other planets available. There is no indication of any secret alchemist society on the piece.

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Re: A mysterious coin of the world: The secret Alchemist society coin
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2018, 05:29:53 PM »
The Alchemist society or secret Alchemist society or Alchemist secret is a reference to a modern game.
If any coins were ever struck they would not be 6 meters underground and certainly not minted in the 1400's.

What is a 10 year old boy doing digging 6 meters underground anyway?

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Re: A mysterious coin of the world: The secret Alchemist society coin
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2018, 08:20:53 PM »
An intriguing story, all the more so since it comes from Argentina. I am sure it would have delighted Argentinian writer Jorge Luis Borges, who was fascinated by linguistic enigmas and included more than a few of them in his stories.

People everywhere love a mystery. When I was working in London in 1999, an American business visitor was desperate to know the meaning of the Latin and Welsh edge inscriptions on our pound coins, and he was very pleased when I was able to explain them to him. These rather simplistic "words" on the piece you mention have also intrigued people, to the extent that rich people were desperate to buy the piece from the boy. If we are to believe those reports, then he would have done well to sell it.

People have assumed that the legend on this piece refers to alchemy, because of the significance of the year 1404. That remains a theory. Whoever had this piece struck - and it seems there may have been several of them - must indeed have had a purpose in doing so, but what was that purpose? Was it really an interest in alchemy - or in something else? Or was the piece simply intended to intrigue and fool people, as it has done in some cases, in order to amuse its makers?

Then there is the "fact" that it was found six metres underground. Is this true? Prosit was right to question it. How can we be sure, so many years later? And why would a boy turn down the supposedly ridiculous amounts of money that he was offered for this piece? There are lots of mysteries surrounding this piece, and it is reasonable to want to find an answer. After all, over on this forum's boards for tokens, that is exactly what the fans of tokens do: they research their tokens and go to considerable lengths to do so.

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Re: A mysterious coin of the world: The secret Alchemist society coin
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2018, 08:25:12 PM »
I have moved this topic here on the assumption that the piece was a nineteenth century fantasy of some kind, until we learn differently - if ever.

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Re: A mysterious coin of the world: The secret Alchemist society coin
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2018, 09:17:17 PM »
Googling the legend turned up this picture - seems to have been some sort of jewellery piece intended to be worn.  The piece found above has lost the suspension loop.,
always willing to trade modern UK coins for modern coins from elsewhere....

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Re: A mysterious coin of the world: The secret Alchemist society coin
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2018, 10:18:46 PM »
Interesting. There were new groups springing up in the 19th century that were interested in alchemy etc., "The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn" being one - some sort of neo-Druid group. However, I've yet to see any evidence that the lettering has any link with alchemy.

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« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2018, 01:42:00 AM »
Once, I found a 1935-D US Quarter with my metal detector much deeper than the machine had the capability to reach. After examination it became obvious the coin had fallen out of the side of the hole from much shallower than it first appeared.

Anyway, the story smells fishy.

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Re: A mysterious coin of the world: The secret Alchemist society coin
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2018, 09:10:50 PM »
The medal illustrated above is published in TAMS Journal, Vol. 12, No. 6 Part II. This is a special edition comprising  a catalog by Russell Rulau and George J. Fuld of American Game Counters. This medal is listed as No. Ind-2.  The description is as follows:

Obverse: Liberty head left surrounded by 13 stars and date “1404” below. “LIANT” on headband
Reverse: Eagle type of $5 gold piece. Legend reads: “TPNID AHDTAO ANOTH NOT”. Inscription on scroll ”IOA ON AOT”. Brass. Reeded edge. 22 mm. issued with loop.

A similar one, No. Ind-3 has 11 stars on the Obverse and slightly different inscriptions on the Reverse.

The introduction to CHAPTER IV "INDIAN" COUNTERS” Reads as follows: When we began compiling our dates on all known American counters, we did not suspect the existence of the series of gold coin imitations which are grouped together in this chapter. We have dubbed these pieces "Indian” counters because several of the varieties we list were found in graves of the Redmen. Type lnd-2 was found among the effects of an Indian grave in Canada, along with a number of brass British counters of the "To Hanover” type. Type Ind-3 was unearthed from the American grave of a Caddo Indian.

Whether these pieces have any true relation to each other; whether they were struck as game counters or merely as forgeries of gold coins to pass off to Indian tribes who, in their inability to read would not be disturbed by the quixotic legends; who produced them and when — these are mysteries we cannot fathom at this time.

The "Indian” counters are all imitations of United States gold coins, but with legends or dates which make no sense.


This catalog can be found on: https://nnp.wustl.edu/

This type of eagle coin was issued in the years 1838 – 1908. The medal clearly was derived from this type of coin so it must have been issued after 1838. As already mentioned it is machine struck thus dating it some centuries after 1404 and also the type of lettering used certainly is not medieval.

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Re: A mysterious coin of the world: The secret Alchemist society coin
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2018, 11:03:28 PM »
So possibly it was done to deceive the Native Americans, then. And the nonsensical legend would have meant that they could not have been charged with forgery. A shabby exercise, if true.

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« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2018, 11:58:50 PM »
The mix with the TO HANOVER counters open the possibility that it's the other way around, I think. They were around anyway for some purpose and offloaded to Indians. Obviously, the TO HANOVER pieces were game counters, originating in Britain. The US inspired pieces may have been made for the same purpose.

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« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2018, 06:37:48 AM »
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