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Re: ARCHIVED: Comments on Planned Major Changes to World Circulation Sets
« Reply #30 on: March 21, 2016, 01:17:17 AM »
Swaziland appears to have a new series.
Some designs are obviously different. Others may need to be measured.

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Re: ARCHIVED: Comments on Planned Major Changes to World Circulation Sets
« Reply #31 on: March 21, 2016, 10:03:27 AM »


Swaziland 2011 set.



The Swaziland set was changed to smaller coins with an inner polygonal rim in 2011. That is included here (set 6).





Above you can see an old 2003 two emalangeni coin from Paul Baker's site. The 2015 version has a very different numeral 2 for the denomination. The 2015 five emalangeni is also very different from the old one. See below.

There are also some metal changes going on. However, these changes do not qualify the set as a major new set, according to my terms of reference. You would need at least three completely new designs - this is to exclude those many cases where two denominations only are added to a set because of inflation - I would never finish this topic if I included all those cases! And I specifically exclude minor detail changes and metal / colour changes - so that rules these ones out, but they are interesting in themselves.
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Re: ARCHIVED: Comments on Planned Major Changes to World Circulation Sets
« Reply #32 on: March 21, 2016, 06:36:09 PM »
<k>, Kindly do not take hasty decisions as they tend to be premature.
This is officially a new series.
I have to wait for the set which will reach me only in the consignment by end May.
Only then, I shall be able to measure, weigh and test the material.

On the face of it.

1. 5 cent has been dropped.
2. 10 cents is now Nickel plated steel instead of Copper plated steel in 2011 series.
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Re: ARCHIVED: Comments on Planned Major Changes to World Circulation Sets
« Reply #33 on: March 21, 2016, 06:37:23 PM »
3. There is a change in design of 1 Lilageni

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Re: ARCHIVED: Comments on Planned Major Changes to World Circulation Sets
« Reply #34 on: March 21, 2016, 06:38:53 PM »
2011 series had 2 different sized coins for 20 Cents.
I am told that new coin does not follow either of them.

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Re: ARCHIVED: Comments on Planned Major Changes to World Circulation Sets
« Reply #35 on: March 21, 2016, 06:46:37 PM »
2 Emalangeni and 5 Emalangeni were minted earlier but were not a part of 2011 series. They were in Brass and Aluminium Bronze. I am yet to know if they have been replaced with plated steel or not. If their diameter and weight both have changed then they are new coin by any definition.

Normally SCWC allots a new KM# if any of the four parameters ( design, diameter, weight or alloy ) changes.

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Re: ARCHIVED: Comments on Planned Major Changes to World Circulation Sets
« Reply #36 on: March 21, 2016, 10:01:18 PM »
<k>, Kindly do not take hasty decisions as they tend to be premature.
This is officially a new series.

The original image you posted offered scant evidence of this. None of it meets my very clear criteria. You can start a topic about minor new changes - I'll stick to the major ones.

The tiny elephant coin looks very suspicious. What fool would put a huge elephant on a tiny coin? It can only have been a Chinese forgery effort. The Chinese have nukes, the Swazis don't - nothing to be done about it. When I see three entirely new designs in a set, I'll consider it.

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Re: ARCHIVED: Comments on Planned Major Changes to World Circulation Sets
« Reply #37 on: March 22, 2016, 02:36:33 AM »
They are minted by South African mint.
Will revert back with measurements by end of May or so.

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Re: ARCHIVED: Comments on Planned Major Changes to World Circulation Sets
« Reply #38 on: April 21, 2016, 02:43:08 PM »
What fool would put a huge elephant on a tiny coin? It can only have been a Chinese forgery effort. The Chinese have nukes, the Swazis don't - nothing to be done about it. When I see three entirely new designs in a set, I'll consider it.

See

http://en.starafrica.com/news/swazi-central-bank-recalls-pre-2015-coins.html

Swaziland confirms new series and withdraws all old series coins.
Huge elephant on tiny coin was put by the Royal Mint.
Chinese do not counterfeit circulation coins.
Nukes do not solve any problem.

A new series is a new series.

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Re: ARCHIVED: Comments on Planned Major Changes to World Circulation Sets
« Reply #39 on: September 01, 2018, 02:11:31 PM »
ANNOUNCEMENT

I started this topic as a sort of "overview" topic, back in 2011, because I saw a need for it. Eventually I added some "Terms of Reference" (TOR), so that I could clarify my definition of "major changes". I also occasionally changed or expanded the TOR in response to comments by members.

Now I have grown tired of this subject, since it is no longer prominent in my own interests. However, because of its importance, I think this set of topics (parent topic, comments topic, TOR) should continue. I tried to hand it over before and had some help, but my helpers also have other interests and are busy people, so it is not easy to find the time to update the main topic. My thanks to everybody who has helped with these topics, by providing news and information on the main subject.

I have now decided that the best option is to hand this set of topics over to eurocoin. In my view he is the best candidate, since he has a lot of contacts in this area, and he is keenly interested in the subject. He will copy the existing topic into a topic of his own and then create his own "Comments" topic. This topic of mine will then be locked and in effect archived, but it will still be available for everyone to read as a historical record. In due course, I will amend the title to reflect this change.

The topics will then be eurocoin's, and any changes to the TOR will be under his control. However, I would urge eurocoin to remember that some of the other members are very interested in this topic and are very knowledgeable about the subject. There may at times be differences of views, but I hope these will be handled diplomatically on all sides.

I have informed Figleaf of these changes, and he is happy for them to proceed. Soon I will step back from this set of topics, but I hope it continues to be of interest to members and visitors. These topics also feed into the Major New Circulation Sets of the 21st Century topic, so there will be changes there too in the near future, but I will inform you about them when the time is ripe.

I wish eurocoin success and a harmonious future for this set of topics and its fans.

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Re: ARCHIVED: Comments on Planned Major Changes to World Circulation Sets
« Reply #40 on: September 02, 2018, 05:22:12 PM »
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