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Started by BC Numismatics, September 21, 2009, 01:07:39 AM

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BC Numismatics

Dietmar,
  There were also traders' currency tokens for 2d. in circulation in England,especially the Robert Blake 2d. from Norwich (Norfolk) at the same time as the Cartwheel 2d.

The Birmingham Workhouse had massive copper 3d. tokens (which I do have in my collection) in circulation,along with an extremely rare (& humungous!) copper 6d. token in 1812-16.

Aidan.

Medalstrike

#1
Thanks for the hint Aidan,

the Six Penny Token is a beautiful piece:
http://www.bmagic.org.uk/objects/1900N17

Dietmar
The third side of a medal rests in the eye of the beholder

translateltd

#2
Quote from: Medalstrike on September 21, 2009, 07:37:25 PM
Thanks for the hint Aidan,

the Six Penny Token is a beautiful piece:
http://www.bmagic.org.uk/objects/1900N17

Dietmar

I'm a little skeptical about the 41mm diameter quoted for the 6d on that site - it sounds like the diameter of the threepence to me.  I must check in Seaby or Withers and see what the sixpence diameter was meant to be.  I thought it was even larger (surely it wouldn't just be double thickness?  Watch this space ...


BC Numismatics

#3
Martin,
  I have shown you one of my Birmingham Workhouse copper 3d.s.The 6d. is twice the diameter,not twice the thickness.

That is why it is such a humungous thing that would have worn out the pockets of a pair of early 19th. Century trousers pretty quickly.

On the other hand,Kevin Mills did have a Birmingham Workhouse silver 1/- that he had in his stock for years,so I ended up buying it myself,just to give it a nice home in my collection,& to fill in a gap.Mind you,it was a bargain at NZ$100,as the silver 1/- tokens from anywhere in England almost never turn up over here in New Zealand.

Aidan.

africancoins

#4
If a 6d token was to have twice the mass of a 3d token of the same thickness and material - then the area of one of the faces (obverse and reverse) of the bigger token would be double that of the smaller token. So...

larger diameter / smaller diameter  =  square root of 2

Thanks Mr Paul Baker

translateltd

#5
I have two examples of the 3d myself (one of each die rotation), which is why I doubted the claim that the 6d was "only" 41 mm. 

Seaby does not give a diameter for the 6d but says the genuine ones weigh between 5 oz 3 dwt and 5 oz 7 dwt; Withers says the genuine 6d is 50 mm in diameter and weighs 157.8 g.  The later copies are 45 mm and commensurately lighter.  Interestingly, he says the 3ds are 45 mm, not 41.  That suggests that the later copies of the 6ds, at least, are twice the thickness of the 3ds.

Quote from: BC Numismatics on September 21, 2009, 10:07:52 PM
Martin,
  I have shown you one of my Birmingham Workhouse copper 3d.s.The 6d. is twice the diameter,not twice the thickness.

That is why it is such a humungous thing that would have worn out the pockets of a pair of early 19th. Century trousers pretty quickly.

On the other hand,Kevin Mills did have a Birmingham Workhouse silver 1/- that he had in his stock for years,so I ended up buying it myself,just to give it a nice home in my collection,& to fill in a gap.Mind you,it was a bargain at NZ$100,as the silver 1/- tokens from anywhere in England almost never turn up over here in New Zealand.

Aidan.

bruce61813

Here is a Birmingham 3d from 1813, not a real beaut, but not bad either.

Bruce

translateltd

I know I should be working, but here are a few BWH tokens of different denominations, since the topic is "hot" at the moment.  The 6d is the commoner silver variety.


Medalstrike

wow nice tokens Martin,
gratulation

Dietmar
The third side of a medal rests in the eye of the beholder

bruce61813

This is an offshoot, it is from  Keighley "Overseers of the Poor" , Davis #12(a) 37 mm  27.8 grams, an over stamped 1 penny token from 1812. there are a number of variations on this piece.

Bruce

Medalstrike

A lovely token Bruce,
The image of a handshake can be found even in a denarius of AD 69 Vittelius.
There symboliesieren both hands the loyalty and harmony between the emperor and the military.
Even on a French coin of 1 Anniversary of the founding of the 3rd Republic is the handshake to be found,
then it symbolizes the unity of all Frenchmen, whether citizens, military or clergy, all stand for the nation.

Dietmar
The third side of a medal rests in the eye of the beholder

mrbadexample

A couple of recent acquisitions:

I'd love one of the copper 3ds but finding a nice one isn't easy. I don't mind a bit of wear but if there's one thing that puts me off it's lumpy edges, and with a piece of that size they don't have to be dropped very often.  ::)