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Offline mrbadexample

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Russia 2 kopeks 1762/0
« on: March 14, 2018, 03:49:01 PM »
Good afternoon all.

I have just watched this coin go for more than I could spend at auction.  :(

It intrigued me though, and I thought if I can't own it then I can at least talk about it. :)

KM# C42

Is this a posthumous strike over the previous issue?

Thanks,
MBE

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Re: Russia 2 kopeks 1762/0
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2018, 09:56:33 AM »
No wonder it went for an amount above your budget. It is 1762 over 1760, which is a very hard to get variant.

Peter
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Re: Russia 2 kopeks 1762/0
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2018, 02:00:24 PM »
It is Peter. I couldn't find out enough about it to determine a value, and since the bidding started at more than I was comfortable with, I left it. It went for around 400 with commission, which I suspect was actually quite cheap. I bet the new owner is happy with it.

What I liked about it was the traces of the undertype, which I believe to be from the previous issue. The numerals 17 under the horse on the obverse, and the phantom horse legs on the reverse.  :o

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Re: Russia 2 kopeks 1762/0
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2018, 03:20:25 PM »
Hello, everybody

I'm Steve, a new member. My collecting interests are mainly U.S. Morgan silver dollars and, more related to this forum, 18th century Russian copper, especially overstrikes.

It just so happens that I just bought the coin in question here. It was listed on eBay in an NGC VF 35 BN slab. The seller was asking $1250 US, but I got for $825 including shipping. I thought this was reasonable, considering that a normal variety lists for $600 in both Krause and on the NGC price guide. This is definitely going to be one of the highlights of my collection.

I would be more than happy to talk with members about 18th century Russian copper, especially overstrikes. I have written a couple of articles about overstrikes for an online newsletter, and would be happy to share them with the membership.

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Re: Russia 2 kopeks 1762/0
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2018, 03:12:31 PM »
Hi Steve, welcome to the forum. That's my coin, I saw it first!  ;)

I did think I was probably passing on a good buy when I saw it https://www.dnw.co.uk/auction-archive/lot-archive/lot.php?department=Coins&lot_id=308295.

Nice purchase. What is it struck over please?

I'd also like to read the articles you've written. :)

Cheers,
MBE

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Re: Russia 2 kopeks 1762/0
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2018, 05:04:01 PM »
It is struck over a 1 kopeck of Elizabeth. Many, if not most, of the Peter III pieces are struck over Elizabeth coins, and some of the Elizabeth pieces are themselves struck over earlier coins. For Peter, since he was changing the monetary standard, 2 kopecks were struck over 1 kopeck, 4 kopecks over 2 kopecks, and 10 kopecks over 5 kopecks.

As for the articles, they are too large to post here. They can be accessed through this link: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/38e3mmsot09zvoe/AAD7raIJlFiy2pdUdkoGYJaVa?dl=0

The articles can be downloaded in either Word or PDF format, in English or Russian (machine translation, so I don't know how accurate the translation is), and are fully illustrated.

Thanks for your interest.

Steve

« Last Edit: August 05, 2018, 06:16:28 PM by woodturner1960 »

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Re: Russia 2 kopeks 1762/0
« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2018, 12:44:10 AM »
Really excellent articles, thanks Steve.

Now I know a bit more about where it fits in to the history, I'm even more convinced I missed out on this one. I think it's in the right spot with you though.  :)