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Offline Gusev

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Imitation Gold 1/2 Mohur (Assam, Rajeśvara Simha)
« on: January 29, 2018, 10:49:24 AM »
Spink, Auction 339, 14 January 2018, Lot number: 332, Price realized: 1,100 USD
Probably piece made for use as jewellery or other purposes. But this is not a genuine coin.
On the reverse of the coin is an error in the legend in the second line
(......../jesvara Sim/.........).
The correct legend is
(......../jesvara Simha/.........).
See the correct legend for an example on a silver coin.

At the auction, the imitation was sold as a genuine coin.
At all auctions without exception, there are errors, Sometimes it is very serious mistakes.
But only buyers lose. Maybe the buyer of this coin will read this information and want to return their money?

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Re: Imitation Gold 1/2 Mohur (Assam, Rajeśvara Simha)
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2018, 08:39:36 PM »
I do not know the type, but the messy calligraphy alone would make me very suspicious.

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Re: Imitation Gold 1/2 Mohur (Assam, Rajeśvara Simha)
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2018, 11:51:30 PM »
I looked at both middle lines. The differences I spotted are an extra character at right on the right picture of the silver coin and an extra stroke on the last character on the left picture of the gold coin. The latter could be the light.

I agree with TH that the text on the gold coin is sloppily formed. Yet, the characters on the bottom line on the left of the gold coin look better than on the silver coin. Perhaps the engraver was used to writing in these characters. I would readily believe that the gold coin is a contemporary counterfeit or indeed old jewellery.

Peter
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Re: Imitation Gold 1/2 Mohur (Assam, Rajeśvara Simha)
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2018, 09:06:12 AM »
Of course, I also first drew attention to the caligraphy. After that, I found mistakes in the legend.

Why did the auction experts turn a blind eye to obvious discrepancies?
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Re: Imitation Gold 1/2 Mohur (Assam, Rajeśvara Simha)
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2018, 04:42:27 PM »
This AV 1/2 Mohur imitation is offered for sale for the second time.

1. La Galerie Numismatique, Auction XXXIV, 22 - 23 April 2017, Lot 4469, Unsold
Assam, Rajeshvara Simha Suprempha (1751-1769), ½ Mohur KM 141. RR F

2. Heritage Auctions, Inc. Sale #3065, 29 June 2018, Lot 30293, Estimate: 1'200 USD, Starting price: 600 USD.
Assam. Rajesvara Simha (Suprempha) gold 1/2 Mohur ND (1751-69) MS62 NGC, KM141, Fr-935. An exceptional and fully Mint-State example of this intriguing octagonal gold type. Although these often come a bit crude in appearance, this specimen retains a charming aged look which will undoubtedly make it timeless in the eyes of many collectors.  ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Imitation Gold 1/2 Mohur (Assam, Rajeśvara Simha)
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2018, 10:54:32 PM »
It's a thankless and frustrating task, but someone should inform the auction house.

Peter
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Re: Imitation Gold 1/2 Mohur (Assam, Rajeśvara Simha)
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2018, 09:21:18 PM »
It's a thankless and frustrating task, but someone should inform the auction house.

Peter

I informed the auction house.
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Re: Imitation Gold 1/2 Mohur (Assam, Rajeśvara Simha)
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2018, 03:56:51 PM »
Answer from HERITAGE AUCTION

Dear Mr. Gusev,

Thank you for your inquiry. I have contacted our specialist about your concerns and we will be standing by NGC. If you have any questions please don’t hesitate to contact us.

Nando Pedrero | Auction Client/Bidder Services

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Re: Imitation Gold 1/2 Mohur (Assam, Rajeśvara Simha)
« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2018, 03:57:22 PM »
Price realized: 1'800 USD
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Re: Imitation Gold 1/2 Mohur (Assam, Rajeśvara Simha)
« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2018, 10:50:40 PM »
A thankless and frustrating task indeed. If they won't thank you, I will.
:thankyou:

Hard to understand just what they are saying. I think it amounts to "if NGC says it's genuine it's genuine". That shifts the responsibility to NGC, so they can cash in without worrying over morality. I wonder if their sales conditions say "we don't guarantee the coins are genuine, NGC does". In view of your reputation, they are playing with theirs.

For the sake of comparison, recently, I came across a Mysore coin that looked too good to be true and seemed to be struck in a collar. I told the seller in private that I am not an expert by any means, but the coin looked fishy to me. He immediately took it out of the album and said he'd ask Jan Lingen. A flashy auction house? A fat cat dealer? No. This happened on an indoor flea market. Needless to say, I'll be buying from him again.

Peter
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