Safavid "be-la'nat" falus dated 988 AH counterstamped " 'Adl Tabriz "

Started by andyg, January 22, 2018, 12:13:25 AM

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andyg

No ideas on this one - Middle eastern presumably.

9g
always willing to trade modern UK coins for modern coins from elsewhere....

Figleaf

I would be inclined to take the counterstamp for Central Asian. Will have a look in Michiner tomorrow...

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

saro

Countermark : " 'adl Tabriz "
"All I know is that I know nothing" (Socrates)

Figleaf

Thanks, saro. That helped a lot, but Mitchiner didn't help much. The closest I got was a falus of the Ak Koyunlu with c/m Amul, i.e host like MWI 1803, c/m like MWI 1800 but without the stars, both assigned to Uzun Hasan (857-882 AH). I hope someone has a more precise idea...

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

saro

#4
From the few remains of legend of the lower picture, it seems to me that the host coin could be an early safavid copper not far of this one, even of half weight.

the upper line could be "dinar Shahi" and " (u)rdu.."  which is legible at 3 o'clock could be a part of "Urdubad"  ??? , a city located only 100km N of Tabriz...
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andyg

crikey - both the countermark and the host coin identified (I'd not even though there was enough left to find the host coin) - Now I can see what I'm looking at I think the host is dated 988......

Thanks again.
always willing to trade modern UK coins for modern coins from elsewhere....

saro

 :applause: andyg !  I didn't see that ! ...
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saro

and now, I see a lion with up tail, in the middle part, on the left between the 2 lines...(its head cut by the counterstamp).
Do you confirm ?
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andyg

It could be with some imagination :)
It's not much clearer in hand.
always willing to trade modern UK coins for modern coins from elsewhere....

saro

#9
After attentive examination of your (very interesting) coin, I think that we can say with some confidence :

- the host coin is a safavid falus struck in 988 AH.
- the mintname should be on the countermark side and isn't legible (Pls forget "Urdubad"..)
- the host coin belongs to the so called "be-la'nat" series.
- the host coin has been re-validated at Tabriz (ctm " 'adl Tabriz ")

From the remaining parts of legends of your coin and with help of other "be-la'nat" coins (legends arrangements may differ according to the mints), I have reconstructed what should most likely be the full text...
" May  the damnation of God be on whoever alters the falus of the Shah"

("be-la'nat بلعنت / damnation)
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THCoins

Great research with interesting outcome !

saro

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Figleaf

An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

saro

Coming back on this "la'nat" coin dated 988 AH, at time of Shah 'Abbas", I think that it is similar with this one on Zeno, and I again see a lion in a central cartouche... (and below :"zarb 988")
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gerard974

Hello My Friends
I have always the question "How do you make for to seen all " with one very big imagination i see nothing . Maybee the lion is going to eat ??? (is a joke)
best regards gerard