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Johnny Hallyday
« on: December 21, 2017, 11:07:26 AM »
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Re: Johnny Hallyday
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2017, 12:21:47 PM »
Definitely a subject - well, person - worth commemorating. The pose looks good too, but I would move the text so that his figure can be somewhat bigger, and go to the edge of the pill.

Also, étoiles de France sounds as if more could follow. A coin for the 75th anniversary of Hallyday's birth is fine, but I hope there won't be a series. ;) Language wise others will be more competent, but instead of étoile I would prefer vedette or even star, and maybe add "la" to the country name ...

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Re: Johnny Hallyday
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2017, 08:11:06 PM »
I wonder if he was known at all outside France. One of the last times he did an event was in the US. Reporters said the public was enthusiastic and largely French-speaking...

Also, I beg to differ on the "worthiness" of musicians (and actors, for that matter) to be commemorated on a coin.

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Re: Johnny Hallyday
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2017, 12:28:32 AM »
Yes, he is known here too. Certainly not to the degree of popularity he enjoyed in France, but if people here saw such a coin, most would say, ah, that guy ... without knowing any of his songs. ;)

To some extent, such coins are also ambassadors though. A Portuguese €2 coin, for example, featuring Raul Brandão commemorates this writer who many people in the rest of the euro area will not be familiar with. Maybe somebody who sees the coin (OK, a collector ...) will look him up and say, ah, interesting.

Also, I would not exclude singers per se. Issuing a coin just one year after somebody (anybody) dies, that I find strange. (Even three years, see the Helmut Schmidt coin, is too short in my opinion.) But I remember that I found it strange to not see an Edith Piaf commem or collector coin in 2015 for example. Music certainly moves many people, and so do movies - should it only be the composers and directors who are honored on coins, not the "performers"? You can imagine that my answer is different from yours. ;)

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Re: Johnny Hallyday
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2017, 01:10:27 AM »
The problem with the entertainment guys is that they are ranked by name recognition only. However, that's not a good guide to lasting importance. That works both ways. The ground floor of the Musée d'Orsay in Paris is full of art, that was mainstream at its time but is now commonly referred to as "grandpa's porno". The artist are vaguely remembered at best. The upper floor is filled with impressionists, who were mostly marginal figures in their time but forerunners of modern art and famous names now.

So it is with composers. If they would have been admissible on coin around 1960, they would have included Leonard Bernstein, who was wildly popular at the time. I don't think we'll see a coin for him in our lifetimes, though. Same thing for actors and singers. Except for Lucky Luke readers, most of us have never heard of Sara Bernhardt. Yet, even Lucky Luke knew her before she came to the US ;) How about Clara Ward? She was of importance to singing (a whole lot more than Johnny Halliday, if the two can be compared) but she has little name recognition today. Soccer players? There is one for Johan Cruyff, but will we ever see one for Abe Lenstra? So, I agree with your point that we need time to take distance and judge importance. I would probably opt for a much longer time than you.

In addition, we could do with a comparison of the importance of people's contribution. There are plenty people, places and even monuments that are more worthy in that sense. Entertainment is fine and useful and needed but so is cleaning toilets. Even with the crazy number of issues today, plenty of worthy people go unrecognised. Here's a little exercise. How many Nobel peace prize winners got on a coin?

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Re: Johnny Hallyday
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2017, 12:34:19 PM »
Right, tastes and preferences, and what we think today about people or subjects "back then", change over time. But that also applies to military and politicians.

I have always found it strange that on US coins you will primarily see the latter two - hardly any scientists, writers or composers. In most of Europe we do honor such non-politics/non-military people on coins or paper money. If the "general opinion" about one of them changes later, then so be it. :)

Nobel Prize winners? Well, there are several, partly because quite a few of them were or are politicians, hehe. The very first one (Henry Dunant) was on even two Swiss commems, Bertha von Suttner is on a German collector coin and an Austrian circulation coin, Teddy Roosevelt is on a presidential dollar and a ND quarter ... As for Germans, Gustav Stresemann, Albert Schweitzer (French-German), Carl von Ossietzky and Willy Brandt (circulation coin) come to mind. Could be more, but there will also be more coins in the future. ;)

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Re: Johnny Hallyday
« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2017, 12:52:55 PM »
I see that my drawings provoke a lot of reaction, I'm happy about this, the thing satisfies me :-) thank you all for the comments, happy Christmas parties. :-)  ;)
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