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Offline andyg

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1625
« on: November 05, 2017, 04:16:09 PM »
Whatever this is I can't find it - googling the legends didn't get me very far either...

1625
ARCH.IREV.P.E.IX.PH (a few letter I can't read) D.G.
EP.SP.AC.FRYM (rest I can't read)
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Re: 1625
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2017, 05:06:49 PM »
Hi,

Is it a silver coin?

On the top image I cant figure out what the what the design represents... it might be the coin is coin oriented and not medal oriented, but that doesn't help a lot either. I turned the image 180° below. Maybe some of the missing letters are IT (PHIT). the rest?

On the lower image you have an imperial orb, but I cannot read any of the letters you have found!

Numista didn't give me any hits, but I found plenty of imperial orbs, when searching for just 1625.

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If you're interested in coin variants please find some English documentation here:
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http://monnaiesetvarietes.esy.es/

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Re: 1625
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2017, 05:11:55 PM »
That orb with the cross on top and a number in its belly is very reminiscent of the shillings of Riga under Swedish occupation. Whatever the other side is meant to represent, it's clearly garbled, but it could with a bit of goodwill be interpreted as the arms shown on e.g. Livonia KM 17 (which incidentally is also dated 1625). KM 17 was struck at Bydgoszcz rather than Riga.

My guess (no more than that) is that it is from somewhere in the Baltic/Poland region during the chaos of the Thirty Years' War and is either a straight counterfeit/evasion or a bungled genuine coin issued by the Swedish occupation forces or a local warlord/petty ruler. There is a book called "Svenska besittningsmynt" or similar which I don't have, but I will try to remember to have a look when I'm next at the local coin club's HQ. Meanwhile, keep an eye on this category on Tradera, where something similar may turn up.

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Re: 1625
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2017, 01:59:11 PM »
I think I found it ...

Germany-Speyer 2 Kreuzer 1625 silver Albus Philipp Christof von Sotern

Also found  a picture (copyright Coinarchives.com)

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Re: 1625
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2017, 06:26:55 PM »
that's it, bravo.

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If you're interested in coin variants please find some English documentation here:
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and in French on Michel's site (the presentations are not the same):
http://monnaiesetvarietes.esy.es/

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Re: 1625
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2017, 10:11:24 PM »
... and it all makes sense :)
I was thinking EP might mean something to do with a bishopric.  It does help if you get it the right way up too!

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