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Offline saro

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Afghanistan, Falus of Kabul / "Raij" in ornament
« on: October 30, 2017, 04:59:24 PM »
5,8g / no date; the mintname is uncluded in a sophisticated scrpit (unreadable  ???)
I notice "5 or 50" at left of "Raij"
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Re: Afghanistan, Falus of Kabul / "Raij" in ornament
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2017, 04:39:11 PM »
The right picture reminded me of the Acheh kepings against a background of three upside down drop-shaped ornaments. Oesho translates the text on the Acheh kepings as Sultan/Abd/Allah.

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Re: Afghanistan, Falus of Kabul / "Raij" in ornament
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2017, 06:17:55 PM »
Very unusual type, at first glance it reminded me of a bird !
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Re: Afghanistan, Falus of Kabul / "Raij" in ornament
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2017, 06:24:52 PM »
The right picture reminded me of the Acheh kepings against a background of three upside down drop-shaped ornaments. Oesho translates the text on the Acheh kepings as Sultan/Abd/Allah.
The writing of the tin pitis of Aceh is so "stylised" (not to say degenerated..) that these coins are quite unreadable ... on your example, "Allah"(of 'abdallah ?) in lower line is the only thing which could be read, it seems....
On my afghan coin, the problem is that the flan is too small to give full parts of the stylised script in which (at least) the words "falus" & "Kabul" are combinated.
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Re: Afghanistan, Falus of Kabul / "Raij" in ornament
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2017, 06:30:57 PM »
Very unusual type, at first glance it reminded me of a bird !
This ornament, seen sometimes on arabic or persian coins, is said to be a rosebud... not a bird  ;)
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Re: Afghanistan, Falus of Kabul / "Raij" in ornament
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2017, 06:47:18 PM »
I think the outline around 5 and Raij is a stylised pomegranate, an often used fertility symbol in Central Asia. It fits well with Afghanistan.

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Re: Afghanistan, Falus of Kabul / "Raij" in ornament
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2017, 09:38:20 AM »
I think the outline around 5 and Raij is a stylised pomegranate, an often used fertility symbol in Central Asia. It fits well with Afghanistan.
S.Album called it "rosebud" for a similar coin ?
 I join 2 pictures of ornamental cartouches found on a Kashan counterstamp and on a 1/2 rupee of Dost Muhammad .
For me the 1st one is close to the "raij rosebud" and the 2nd is clearly a pomegranate.

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Re: Afghanistan, Falus of Kabul / "Raij" in ornament
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2017, 11:47:45 AM »
the problem is that the flan is too small to give full parts of the stylised script in which (at least) the words "falus" & "Kabul" are combinated.

It seems that the stylised legend gives  "zarb falus Kabul"
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Re: Afghanistan, Falus of Kabul / "Raij" in ornament
« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2017, 12:05:04 PM »
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Re: Afghanistan, Falus of Kabul / "Raij" in ornament
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2017, 03:08:45 PM »
Dear Saro, I agree with Peter that the outline around 5 and Raij is a stylized pomegranate Calyx.

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Re: Afghanistan, Falus of Kabul / "Raij" in ornament
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2017, 02:26:04 PM »
I discover that this coin is listed by Valentine in the"doubtful persian or afghan mints" section : n171  p.155 with the description : "Tughra or monogram / raij- current "

NB : the small "5" at left of "raij" is well present on his drawing but not taken in account
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Re: Afghanistan, Falus of Kabul / "Raij" in ornament
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2017, 08:55:21 PM »
It seems that the stylised legend gives  "zarb falus Kabul"

Thanks a lot for this useful analysis!
Paul

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Re: Afghanistan, Falus of Kabul / "Raij" in ornament
« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2017, 08:38:50 AM »
Thanks a lot for this useful analysis!
Paul
It was a pleasure...thank you too  :)
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