euro coin or advertising token?

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Figleaf

September 03, 2009, 10:28:39 PM
The king of the Belgians might not be pleased. There's a dog on his head. It belongs to Pavlov. Not the scientist but the watering hole in Arnhem. Numismatic items with an email address are still not too numerous. Another question is how to classify it? Is it a coin because it's a coin? An advertising token because it has an ad? Or a token used for payments since it still circulated when I caught it, but functions as an advertising token? :)

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

Galapagos

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September 03, 2009, 10:40:47 PM
It's still a coin, and only a coin, but a DEFACED one.

Figleaf

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September 03, 2009, 11:36:28 PM
So a Pears Soap ad on a French copper is a defaced French coin, not a British token? Especially in coin collecting, nothing is ever easy.

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

Galapagos

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September 03, 2009, 11:41:25 PM
Quote from: Figleaf on September 03, 2009, 11:36:28 PM
nothing is ever easy.

Peter

It is if you have acumen. Ask yourself, what is/was its original, primary purpose? And what is/was its official purpose? In this case, you'll see that "a coin" is the correct answer to both questions. For example, you can use a book as a doorstop, but that doesn't make it a doorstop.

bart

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September 04, 2009, 12:04:49 AM
It's not an advertising token; it's an advertising coin.
You can still spend the coin for its nominal value, but at the same time you advertise for Café Pavlov. I'd rather see more of these specimen in circulation. ;D

By the way: our king looks better this way...

bart

Miguel.mateo

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September 05, 2009, 07:31:07 AM
Jusr curious, isn't this illegal?  In Japan it is ...

Miguel

a3v1

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September 05, 2009, 09:50:39 AM
Quote from: Miguel.mateo on September 05, 2009, 07:31:07 AMJust curious, isn't this illegal?  In Japan it is ...
Miguel,
When the Euro was introduced nobody had considered the possibility that someone would want to do a thing like this. So, so far it is not illegal, and even mutilated coins can be found circulating (see attached).
Regards,
a3v1
Over half a century of experience as a coin collector.
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Money is like body fat: If there's too much of it, it always is in the wrong places.

Figleaf

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September 05, 2009, 11:33:35 AM
If I'd find that one circulating, I would immediately make it non-circulating and part of my collection. However, if the Spanish artist would know I'd want one, they'd be made for me and that would change its status. :-[

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

bruce61813

#8
September 05, 2009, 02:06:17 PM
Peter, why not list it as a " counter marked" coin. That may not be 100% accurate, but it would fit in that area, and is easier to say  ;D.

Bruce

chrisild

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September 09, 2009, 11:00:01 AM Last Edit: September 09, 2009, 11:01:51 AM by chrisild
Quote from: Miguel.mateo on September 05, 2009, 07:31:07 AM
Jusr curious, isn't this illegal?  In Japan it is ...

In Germany it is not actually illegal, and you can do with your coins whatever you want to do, even destroy them. However, such an "painted" coin may be taken out of circulation if a bank (or branch office of the central bank) gets hold of it, just like a badly damaged note.

Also, I think that altered pieces (e.g. silver coins that are gilded by third parties) lose their legal tender status. Which practically means, if you take, say, a €10 silver coin "with gold applications" to the Bundesbank and ask to get a €10 note for it, they may refuse to take your coin ...

Christian

Figleaf

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September 10, 2009, 12:31:39 AM Last Edit: September 14, 2009, 12:20:25 AM by Figleaf
Artist puts stickers on 9,000 euro coins

NVT - Chances are that in the coming months there is a bizarre coin in your purse. Ann Veronica Janssens put a sticker on one side of 9,000 coins of 1 euro for her project 9000 euros (Conversions). The figures on the stickers reflect the value of 1 euro in other measures, such as oxygen, light and silence. The coins will be distributed in Wiels in Belgium, where an exposition of the British born Belgian was just opened. Jansens actions are actually forbidden, say both the Royal Mint and the Central Bank. Those who write on or cover a coin even risk prison. However, if there is no complaint, the artwork will be tolerated.

Source: Nieuwsblad
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

Miguel.mateo

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September 10, 2009, 01:15:55 AM
So it is illegal (at least in Belgium) to alter coins?

I find it weird that it is ok to do anything with them ...

Regards,
Miguel

chrisild

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September 20, 2009, 12:16:08 PM
Quote from: Miguel.mateo on September 10, 2009, 01:15:55 AM
I find it weird that it is ok to do anything with them ...

If you have a laptop computer, you can use it for typing messages, browsing the web, etc. - but you may also throw it against the wall because that darn thing does not do what you want it to do. If you have a book that you do not plan to keep any more, you can tear it apart and trash it. Similarly, if you have a coin, you can mark it with a hammer, paint it, bend it, whatever ...

Assuming you are the owner, that is. And at least here in Germany, you own your own money. If you want to burn or deface it, go ahead, up to you. In some other countries, however, there are laws against defacing, melting, or otherwise altering money. In my opinion, both concepts make some sense - but then, if it is against the law to make coins unusable by defacing them, shouldn't hoarding them be unlawful as well? :)

Christian
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