Bronze Ottoman

Started by redwine, September 11, 2017, 01:46:03 PM

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redwine

Bronze Ottoman
1.43g
10.8mm
Haven't got a clue.  Any hints please?
Many thanks
Always willing to trade.  See my profile for areas of interest.

capnbirdseye

Fairly sure it's a Juchid Pul typical of the Golden Horde,
Vic

ZYV

Quote from: capnbirdseye on September 11, 2017, 09:06:26 PM
Fairly sure it's a Juchid Pul typical of the Golden Horde,
You are wrong. This coin is not typical of the Golden Horde.
Anatolian version is more likely.
My publications on numismatics and history of Golden Horde  https://independent.academia.edu/ZayonchkovskyYuru

capnbirdseye

Quote from: ZYV on September 11, 2017, 10:01:14 PM
You are wrong. This coin is not typical of the Golden Horde.
Anatolian version is more likely.

I thought the coin was was similar to the Rosette/ double headed Eagle type Juchid puls but I see now it is obviously not
Vic

Figleaf

But can we get any closer to an id? The coin seems nicely preserved, but I am having trouble even distinguishing decoration from lettering...

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

capnbirdseye

Quote from: Figleaf on September 12, 2017, 10:19:46 AM
But can we get any closer to an id? The coin seems nicely preserved, but I am having trouble even distinguishing decoration from lettering...

Peter


The resemblance to these types of Juchid puls is what I first thought but on closer inspection clearly not
Vic

Figleaf

Like you, I tend to interpret the central part of the design as a tamgha. Just not the one on the Juchid coin you are showing.

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

ZYV

Quote from: Figleaf on September 12, 2017, 10:19:46 AM
But can we get any closer to an id?
I can upload better photos on zeno.ru - may there we can receive attribution / may be - not.

eg
Recently I uploaded there large silver coin with readable legends https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=189848&cat=all&ppuser=1760
No attribution, no wonders...
My publications on numismatics and history of Golden Horde  https://independent.academia.edu/ZayonchkovskyYuru

redwine

I'm happy for you to do that.  Many thanks ;D
Always willing to trade.  See my profile for areas of interest.

ZYV

Quote from: redwine on September 13, 2017, 09:42:12 AM
I'm happy for you to do that. 
I don't understand - what made you happy?
My publications on numismatics and history of Golden Horde  https://independent.academia.edu/ZayonchkovskyYuru

capnbirdseye

Quote from: ZYV on September 14, 2017, 02:43:47 PM
I don't understand - what made you happy?

a figure of speech, it means he would be pleased if you to do it
Vic

redwine

Quote from: ZYV on September 14, 2017, 02:43:47 PM
I don't understand - what made you happy?
I thought you were offering to put the pictures on Zeno.
My mistake.
Always willing to trade.  See my profile for areas of interest.

capnbirdseye

Quote from: redwine on September 14, 2017, 03:45:53 PM
I thought you were offering to put the pictures on Zeno.
My mistake.


So did I   ???
Vic

redwine

Always willing to trade.  See my profile for areas of interest.

Figleaf

Quote from: capnbirdseye on September 14, 2017, 04:14:14 PM
So did I

Splendid idea. Consider yourself encouraged, capn. ;)

Seriously, we are not competitors but two sites working at helping collectors, each in its own way.

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.