Rijksdaalder Willem III as a booklet

Started by Pellinore, September 01, 2017, 03:59:40 PM

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Pellinore

What do you think of this curious object? It looks quite a lot like a Dutch silver rijksdaalder of the period 1849-1874, an 38mm silver coin. But it is a 45 mm silver-colored book with souvenir vues of Rotterdam, issued about 1870. To the left is an original rijksdaalder (not in my possession, or I could show the difference in diameter).

Strange is the way the text has been put on the booklet: see how the distance between G.H.V. and L. is larger on the booklet. One wonders at the way the coin was reproduced.
-- Paul

THCoins

Interesting "Numismatic book" find.
Pictures of ancient Rotterdam is a bonus, as not much of that is left (bombed during WW II).

Pellinore

Here are some pictures from the reverse of the booklet (and the box in which it is kept) and the inside of the book.
-- Paul


THCoins

Nice so complete real document of this era !

Henk

I have a similar item, unfortunately without the box, from Antwerp. With a portrait of Leopold II as on the 5 Franc piece. It contains a leporello of photographs of sites in Antwerp.

THCoins

Never new about this type of memorabilia. With the second this seems to have been quite a fashionable item at the time. Nice to see the two here together !

Pellinore

Quote from: Henk on September 02, 2017, 08:03:53 PM
I have a similar item, unfortunately without the box, from Antwerp. With a portrait of Leopold II as on the 5 Franc piece. It contains a leporello of photographs of sites in Antwerp.

That's great! Probably from about the same date and the same  manufacturer, possibly this Blümlein in Frankfurt. Maybe there are even more!
-- Paul

Henk

A similar one from Frankfurt/M is described in: "Kleinkunst in Silber, Schraubtaler un Schraub Medaillen de Münzkabinetsts, historisches Museum Frankfurt am Main (1978) by Gisella Forstner. The "medal" was issued by the Kunstanstallt von PH. Frey & Co., Frankfurt M. The text on the cover is ERINNERUNG AN FRANKFURT A/M". The reverse has a bust of Goethe. The pictures are described as Steindrücke (litho).

I have seen one or two others, one was from Leiden/Netherlands. These must have been issued for other places as well, now they seem to be quire scarce.

Pellinore

Great! I know why they are so rare, they are Very delicate. Also, maybe not appreciated by governments because they might be mistaken for real coins.
-- Paul

chrisild

Very interesting, those "coin leporello" pieces. :) Cannot contribute anything here, but thanks for posting them!

Christian

Pellinore

Quote from: Henk on September 04, 2017, 01:09:18 PM
The "medal" was issued by the Kunstanstallt von PH. Frey & Co., Frankfurt M. The text on the cover is ERINNERUNG AN FRANKFURT A/M". The reverse has a bust of Goethe. The pictures are described as Steindrücke (litho).

But was there a coin portrait on it, as with the Rotterdam and Antwerp booklets mentioned above? If you look at these, you see the obverse portrait of a large silver coin, that was in daily use.
-- Paul

Figleaf

Quote from: Pellinore on September 01, 2017, 03:59:40 PM
What do you think of this curious object?

My impression is that your intuitive descriptive is quite correct. The middle class would delight in a "curiosity cabinet", a collection of curious objects to amuse their guests until television was at last invented. I presume that the coin on top served as a further angle of amusement: the host could put it on the table as card game betting was going on, hoping that one of the guests would spot it as a fake. It's a scene right out of Camera Obscura

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

Henk

In addition to my earlier post I add a photo of the cover of the book I mentioned earlier and also a copy of the leparello from this book. It shows the bust of Goethe, I do not think this was at that time used on a coin.

Pellinore

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Thanks to this, I now know that in Germany this is known as a Steckmedaille (Stecktaler, Steckmünze) if the coins just fit on each other, and as a Schraubmedaille (Schraubmünze &c.) for two halves made of metal, that are screwed onto each other. Naturally, both forms are prone to lose their content or get worn or dented and unusable. A well-known  type is from Bavaria 1918 about a certain war that will be won. But there are also 18th century examples. Wonder about the English terms. Stick medal and Screw medal?
-- Paul

THCoins

I believe in English it is a "Box medal".

Anthony