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Weight=24.7 g

Obverse: Laureate head right


Reverse: Denomination within wreath

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Re: Napoleon I, First Empire: 5 Francs, Limoges mint, 1811I, KM#694.7
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2017, 06:27:37 PM »
What are the initials under the bust?

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Re: Napoleon I, First Empire: 5 Francs, Limoges mint, 1811I, KM#694.7
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2017, 06:59:36 PM »
The cursive Tr is for Pierre-Joseph Tiolier, who was engraver-general from Germinal XI (March-April 1803) to 11th September 1816. Above his initials is BRENET, for Nicolas-Guy-Antoine Brenet, engraver of the Paris mint. On the reverse, right of the date is the I for the Limoges mint (operational from year 4 to 1835). The handshake left of the date is the mark of Martial Parant, director of the mint from 13 Nivoîse 12 (4th January 1804) to 28th December 1822.

This type was created by decree of 22nd October 1808, replacing the legend RÉPUBLIQUE FRANÇAISE by EMPIRE FRANÇAIS. As it was struck on the "franc de germinal" standard, enshrined in the Latin Monetary Union, it saw long service, being withdrawn only by law of 25th June 1928. Yours looks pretty good, though.

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Re: Napoleon I, First Empire: 5 Francs, Limoges mint, 1811I, KM#694.7
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2017, 04:07:39 AM »
Thank you, mrbadexample and Figleaf.   :)

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Re: Napoleon I, First Empire: 5 Francs, Limoges mint, 1811I, KM#694.7
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2017, 08:21:54 AM »
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Re: Napoleon I, First Empire: 5 Francs, Limoges mint, 1811I, KM#694.7
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2017, 08:24:50 AM »
Monogram Tr. (looks like Cr.) below the portrait is the monogram of the engraver Pierre-Joseph Tiolier. Am I right?

I've been trying to make a proper description for these two coins yesterday:

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Re: Napoleon I, First Empire: 5 Francs, Limoges mint, 1811I, KM#694.7
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2017, 11:11:29 AM »
The mint mark of the Utrecht mint on these coins is mast. The scan is from Jacques Schulman's book on Dutch decimal coins.

The correct description of the mark is mast. This is confirmed by an official document that says that since there was confusion as to what the symbol was, they asked the emperor and he said it was a mast. However, there is no connection between this symbol and the city of Utrecht. Actually, it looks more like a liberty tree to me: a large pole topped by a flag, streamers attached to the upper end, used by dancers to weave patterns.

Liberty trees became popular for a while when the French invaded and ran the House of Orange out of the country in favour of king Louis Napoleon, who was eventually found too independent and given another job. Their popularity became more partial as people found out that one dictator had just been replaced by another.

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