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During the final stages of World War 2, the Allies issued some temporary liberation and / or occupation issues.

I will post one or two. If you know of any more, please post them.

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Re: Allied World War 2: liberation and occupation - temporary issues
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2017, 11:46:33 AM »


Belgium: this 2 francs coin, made of zinc-coated steel, was issued in 1944 by the Allies. Does anybody know the story behind it?

See also: Belgium under Nazi Occupation.

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Re: Allied World War 2: liberation and occupation - temporary issues
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2017, 11:48:06 AM »
Here we have a rather similar Allied issue for France: 2 francs, 1944. What is the story behind this?

See also: Vichy France: Its history and coinage.

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Re: Allied World War 2: liberation and occupation - temporary issues
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2017, 02:29:10 PM »
Both coins were minted in Philadelphia. Schön says the French piece was produced in 1945 and, after the end of WW2, shipped to Europe. Circulated primarily in Southern France and Algeria ...

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Re: Allied World War 2: liberation and occupation - temporary issues
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2017, 03:09:47 PM »
Not sure whether they belong here but ... several Dutch coins were, with the "usual" designs, minted in the US (mostly Philadelphia but also Denver and San Francisco) during WW2. Some were made for unoccupied territories such as Suriname and Curaçao, but Philadelphia also made coins for the "European" Netherlands.

In post-WW2 Germany (between the liberation and the currency reforms) the Allies made 1, 5 and 10 Pfennig coins with the same appearance as the nazi coins. Except that the swastika and the wreath were replaced with a tail. :)

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Re: Allied World War 2: liberation and occupation - temporary issues
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2017, 06:30:11 PM »
In post-WW2 Germany (between the liberation and the currency reforms) the Allies made 1, 5 and 10 Pfennig coins with the same appearance as the nazi coins. Except that the swastika and the wreath were replaced with a tail. :)

Yes, I was hoping you would mention those. I was also hoping, as ever, that you would post some images too. But to no avail, so as usual I will have to do it myself.  ::)

Here is a 10 Pfennig from 1947. They, and the 5 Pfennig coins, were also issued in 1948. The first 1 Pfennig coin was issued in 1945.

Yes, a de-swastika-d eagle.

Presumably the F is a mint mark - but for which mint?
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Re: Allied World War 2: liberation and occupation - temporary issues
« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2017, 12:06:51 AM »
That is a difference between the first couple of coins (US made for unoccupied or to-be-liberated areas) and those pieces for Germany: The latter were actually minted here - "F" is Stuttgart. The Hamburg mint (J) was destroyed in 1943 and thus did not make any of these. And the others, the 1 Rpf was minted in Stuttgart/F and Karlsruhe/G only, the 5 Rpf in Berlin/A, Munich/D and Muldenhütten/E, and the 10 Rpf coins came from A/E/F/G.

Sometimes I do post images. ;) But especially when it comes to coins in my own collection, getting them out and taking (good) photos is quite time consuming. So when I need to decide whether I should not reply at all, or post a "text only" reply, I tend to pick the second option. A bird in the hand ...

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Re: Allied World War 2: liberation and occupation - temporary issues
« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2017, 08:02:00 AM »


Belgium: this 2 francs coin, made of zinc-coated steel, was issued in 1944 by the Allies. Does anybody know the story behind it?

See also: Belgium under Nazi Occupation.

If I remember right, these are minted on blanks originally intended for the zinc US 1 cent minted in 1943.

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Re: Allied World War 2: liberation and occupation - temporary issues
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2018, 06:17:46 PM »
According to Numista, you are right:

In 1944, blank planchets of the 1943 steel cent were used for minting the Belgium 1944 2 franc coin.

Metal   Zinc coated Steel
Weight   2.75 g
Diameter   19 mm
Thickness   1.25 mm
Shape   Round
Orientation   Coin alignment ↑↓

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Re: Allied World War 2: liberation and occupation - temporary issues
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2018, 01:20:24 PM »
The reason why the Dutch coins minted in the US were silver may amuse. When the nazis invaded, it became clear very quickly that they could not be stopped in the long run. The bombardment of Rotterdam, essentially flattening the inner city, just precipitated developments. In the face of the emergency, queen Wilhelmina decided to evacuate herself and her cabinet, while the ministers were still dithering. They queen left on HMS Hereward. The cabinet left a few days later on HMS Windsor.

Meanwhile, staff of the Utrecht mint had shipped all the gold and silver they could find to Hoek van Holland*. From there, all the ships of the Dutch fleet that could sail** left for England. They took along the precious metal from the mint. It was forwarded to the US, where it was used for equipment purchases, cost of living of the part of the royal family that had settled in Canada and, eventually, for striking pre-war standard silver coins of the Netherlands and its colonies in the three US mints.

This explains the acorn mint master mark on the Dutch issues. The Dutch embassy in Washington was responsible for overseeing the production of the coins. The task was given to the trade secretary, Mr. Adams. He chose the acorn. It is taken from the crest of the Badham-Thornhill family, to which he was related and which figures an oak tree.

Peter

* Some gold and silver was left behind and hidden from the nazis until liberation.
** One was still under construction.

 
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Re: Allied World War 2: liberation and occupation - temporary issues
« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2018, 01:30:47 PM »
Here we have a rather similar Allied issue for France: 2 francs, 1944. What is the story behind this?

See also: Vichy France: Its history and coinage.

See here for more on this coin from the book World War II Remembered
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