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Offline maudry

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What do I have here? Looks like British India Rupee
« on: February 22, 2017, 11:02:19 PM »
Hello,
I did not manage to find this coin.
It looks like a Bengal Rupee but may be something completely different.
Weight: 10.34gr (by more than 1gr to low for a "normal" rupee)
Size: 27mm
It has been mounted and shows much wear which could partially explain the light weight.
But could also be a fake?
« Last Edit: February 23, 2017, 02:52:17 PM by maudry »

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Re: What do I have here? Looks like British India Rupee
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2017, 03:33:16 AM »
Sadly it's a fake, an imitation of a Bengal presidency rupee. A good example can be found here

http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,4242.msg25526.html#msg25526

Thanks,

Vishal

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Re: What do I have here? Looks like British India Rupee
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2017, 03:37:28 AM »
Sadly it's a fake, an imitation of a Bengal presidency rupee. A good example can be found here

It is a later imitation made by jewellers for use as Jewelry. It can not be termed fake since it is not a copy of the BI coin but has the jewellers name on it.

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Re: What do I have here? Looks like British India Rupee
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2017, 04:04:52 AM »
Thanks Amit for the clarification.

Vishal

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Re: What do I have here? Looks like British India Rupee
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2017, 02:14:29 PM »
Thank you for that information Amit!
I feel this is quite a collectible item then and will put it next to a real Bengal rupee in my collection.
Are they generally made of silver or another alloy?

Are you able to give me the name of the jeweller, so I can add it to the description of the "coin"?

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Re: What do I have here? Looks like British India Rupee
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2017, 05:29:01 PM »
Thanks Amit for the clarification.
I feel this is quite a collectible item then and will put it next to a real Bengal rupee in my collection.
It is a personal choice. I find such items very collectible. In fact, I have put to gather a small collection of Fake coins that circulate in India. - mainly cast copies of the Rs. 5 coins.
Are they generally made of silver or another alloy?
A jeweler would not (generally) stake his reputation - specially when his name was on the coin. However, there is a possibility that it may not be .999 silver but a little lower grade - a part of which could account for the lower weight.
Are you able to give me the name of the jeweler, so I can add it to the description of the "coin"?
My knowledge of Persian is next to nil. However, I will page Abhishek or may be wait for Oesho to come up with the reading. Or may be we could post this on Fb groups where the confirmation will be faster.

Amit
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Re: What do I have here? Looks like British India Rupee
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2017, 06:25:39 PM »
The 'Persian' here is gibberish. I wouldn't attribute that to any particular jeweller. The letters are way too crude and don't many any sense.

It's an imitation none the less, fake en general.

Vishal

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Re: What do I have here? Looks like British India Rupee
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2017, 06:54:09 PM »
Adding further Maudry, 10.34gms isn't abnormal per se, and shouldn't be the only criterion for authenticity. What's more worrisome is the cast surface, the illegible letters and the appearance of the coin generally. If you compare it to the example I mentioned, the differences are glaring.

Fakers have means, and we've and fallen to it sometimes. At best, you have a 'modern' copy with not much to add further.

Vishal

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Re: What do I have here? Looks like British India Rupee
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2017, 09:04:13 PM »
Hi Vishal,
I was indeed favoring the option of a fake.
But I would however be surprised if it were a modern fake for collectors because I doubt it would have been mounted before it was sold as a "collectors coin".
Anyway, not much hurt done if it is a modern "worthless" fake.
This coin was part of a lot with some interesting coins like a Delhi Rupee G&G G781.

Marc

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Re: What do I have here? Looks like British India Rupee
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2017, 05:15:56 PM »
Some parts of the legend are readable. Next to the pentafoil there is the word 'Ram Kishan .... Das' On the bottom line something like 'zevar rejistari' (registered jeweller).
On the other side the place of issue kan be read, viz.: Shar Akbarabad (Town Akbarabad).
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Re: What do I have here? Looks like British India Rupee
« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2017, 10:13:49 AM »
 :applause: :applause: :applause:
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

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Re: What do I have here? Looks like British India Rupee
« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2017, 05:21:52 PM »
Thanks a lot.
I can now complete the description of this coin.