Iranian civic copper fake

Started by saro, November 16, 2016, 10:52:15 AM

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saro

32 bids , 71 $... ::) I hope that no WoC member will  recognize here the coin he just bought on eBay... too beautiful to be honnest  ::)
Few months ago, that was an extraordinary other coin of Isfahan mint showing Fath 'Ali's portrait, an unexisting coin sold for (only..) 171 $; a copy of the rare presentation gold & silver coins of this ruler.
"All I know is that I know nothing" (Socrates)

capnbirdseye

This is getting really bad now with dealers selling fakes and refusing to answer if questioned. Apparently this seller had another one struck from the same dies for sale a few months back  :o
Vic

leandro87

Can you give more insight in why is it a fake? I'm no specialist on these coins, just curious.
Thanks,

saro

Iranian civic coppers in mint state are of a great rarity but exist; but to find two identical coins with the same details /"same "dies" is exceptional and a similar coin has been sold 5 months ago by the same seller...
-  the script is thick and smooth and the design appears too soft.
-  fresh copper areas are visible on both faces and are suspect.
The best is to have a look on coins listed on Zeno database or on WoC and make a comparison... attractive coin but deceptive  :'(
"All I know is that I know nothing" (Socrates)

andyg

I think this was sold by a UK based seller?
If not then there is a third copy of it...

always willing to trade modern UK coins for modern coins from elsewhere....

saro

Quote from: andyg on November 16, 2016, 07:38:20 PM
I think this was sold by a UK based seller?

Yes, and I send him a message 6 days before the end of bids, I am still waiting a reply...
"All I know is that I know nothing" (Socrates)

saro

Quote from: saro on November 16, 2016, 10:52:15 AMFew months ago, that was an extraordinary other coin of Isfahan mint showing Fath 'Ali's portrait, an unexisting coin sold for (only..) 171 $; a copy of the rare presentation gold & silver coins of this ruler.

Another one  appears for sale on eBay few days ago (2024 nov.21) shortly before being cancelled (by eBay it seems).
For information, here are pictures of the coins I detected, sold for 171$ and 144$ !! (Mashhad).
There were already 5 bids on the last one before cancelled... ::)
"All I know is that I know nothing" (Socrates)

Figleaf

Is this a sign of hope that eBay has become at last more willing to pull fakes? I dare not hope so, but can't find a better explanation. If so, we ought to find out how to trigger the procedure to get a fake pulled.

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

saro

Quote from: Figleaf on November 26, 2024, 09:25:08 AMIs this a sign of hope that eBay has become at last more willing to pull fakes? I dare not hope so, but can't find a better explanation. If so, we ought to find out how to trigger the procedure to get a fake pulled.
Yes, I have... it's likely because of the origin (assumed because they are not manufactured there!..) detected by eBay or rather by (sometimes malicious) "informant" members
"All I know is that I know nothing" (Socrates)

Figleaf

Quite. They very likely don't have the knowledge to detect fakes, so they need a reliable source. This is not a real problem, though. All big, reliable auction houses have solved it, mostly by having access to enough paid expertise to judge the quality of information coming from the outside as well as to spot the more obvious fakes and the doubtful cases.

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.