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Offline gerard974

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VOC unintified
« on: September 05, 2016, 06:11:32 AM »
Hello
a friend sent to me two photos of coins who can sended to me
i have finded one ,is 1 duit Utrecht 1790 in cooper ,but the 2nd i dont arrive to find ,is not the same metal "laiton" and is not the same different in UP
please you can help me ?
Best regards  Gerard

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Re: VOC unintified
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2016, 06:14:29 AM »
is the second photo

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Re: VOC unintified
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2016, 09:48:57 AM »
This coin has not been made in brass. The mint mark above the VOC logo is incorrect. It can be the Utrecht city arms, a star or a star between dots only. This piece is therefore an imitation. Many such imitations are known. Most were made locally or in Singapore.

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

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Re: VOC unintified
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2016, 10:03:01 AM »
Hello Peter
thank you very much ,i waite to receive
Best regards  Gerard

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Re: VOC unintified
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2016, 08:01:52 PM »
The mint mark above the VOC logo is incorrect. It can be the Utrecht city arms, a star or a star between dots only. This piece is therefore an imitation.

I dare to correct Peter. The mint mark shows a child in swaddling clothes (in Dutch: gebakerd kindje). The coin is is listed in Scholten (# 656) and in  KM (# 112.2).

A better find !  :D

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Re: VOC unintified
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2016, 08:26:02 PM »
you beat me to it!
Just to add these were struck 1827 and 1834/35 which might explain the confusion with the mintmark.  Also I think the coin is copper (just bad lighting).
always willing to trade modern UK coins for modern coins from elsewhere....

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Re: VOC unintified
« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2016, 09:10:57 PM »
You're all quite right. Sorry, Gérard. I was thrown off by the brass. I even wondered if it could be Suermondt's child in swaddling clothes but didn't bother to check because even 1827 would have been far too late for this mint mark: Minister of Finance Six rejected this mint mark in 1817! In addition, the mark doesn't look like that used on Dutch coins (see attachment.)

Meanwhile, this is indeed a good catch. I never saw one before.

Peter
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Re: VOC unintified
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2016, 04:36:16 AM »
hello
My friends
thank you very much ,i waite to receive and i say to you
Best regards  Gerard