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Online Figleaf

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Fake? Forgery? Fantasy? Fariety?
« on: July 13, 2016, 05:00:45 PM »
This looks like a fake to me. I don't like the uneven fields and the differences in the characters. Then again, why would anyone want to fake such a common coin? Could it be a contemporary fake? 4.2 grams, 22.9 mm., non-magnetic.

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Re: Fake? Forgery? Fantasy? Fariety?
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2016, 05:20:28 PM »
The plot thickens. I think these two, the same type, are OK. Now look at the top and bottom of the leftmost character and compare with the above.

Peter
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Re: Fake? Forgery? Fantasy? Fariety?
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2016, 06:26:37 PM »
The first coin looks like those coins made for the sets "cash coins of the Manchu emperors", which contains a cash coin for every emperor of the Qing-dynasty. The reverse of every coin shows the mint "Beijing-Board of Revenue".
So I'd say fake (or like the Chinese would say: copy)

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« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2016, 06:42:26 PM »
Could be, but those look better, shinier, more yellow and they are thinner. The fields are also pock-marked, but more regularly so. What I find remarkable is the clearly different characters at left and top (left side).

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Re: Fake? Forgery? Fantasy? Fariety?
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2016, 02:16:47 AM »
The coin is genuine, around 1783.   Almost full weight, with full rims and centerframe so not a recasting.

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Re: Fake? Forgery? Fantasy? Fariety?
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2016, 08:08:21 AM »
Thank you, Bruce. I am delighted that it is a variety after all. Can the two coins lower down in the thread also be dated with such precision?

Peter
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Re: Fake? Forgery? Fantasy? Fariety?
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2016, 10:32:02 AM »
Without reverses, sizes or weights..... it's inherently difficult to compare a screen image to a reference collection, where changes year to year are minute.    But it comes out to 1746 and 1766.

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Re: Fake? Forgery? Fantasy? Fariety?
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2016, 11:13:39 AM »
Sorry, Bruce. As you guessed correctly, the coins do have a reverse ;)

The left coin is 24 mm, 4.7 grams, non-magnetic. The right coin is 23 mm, 3.9 grams, non-magnetic.

Peter
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Re: Fake? Forgery? Fantasy? Fariety?
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2017, 07:00:49 AM »
To revive an old topic, there are many variations of Qianlong cash from the central mint, with the most notable し radical in 乾. Take a look at this page where I identified all the variations of the coin.  :)
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Re: Fake? Forgery? Fantasy? Fariety?
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2017, 12:39:53 PM »
Good to hear from you, Kenny. Great to see you specified the varieties of this coin (BTW, it's dangerous to claim you have "all" of them; you never know what's still lurking out there). Having no expertise, I found it difficult to decide which variety from your list matches the above coin. What do you think they are?

Peter
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Re: Fake? Forgery? Fantasy? Fariety?
« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2017, 10:28:22 AM »
Kenny, please come browse Zeno.ru some time.