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Offline redwine

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Money weight - can't place it
« on: April 14, 2016, 06:46:31 AM »
6.4g
15.88 x 16.15
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Looks like a very familiar design but I can't place it. Any ideas.  Many thanks  ;D
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Re: Money weight - can't place it
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2016, 12:26:10 PM »
If the weight is rotated 180 degrees it is somewhat similar to the two weights at the left hand bottom on this box label but I can't read the text!

Its described in the book as fig.109. Antwerp 1586.  ...but then goes on to say:

However no labels were made in Austria, Berlin, Prussia and Schleswig-Holstein. The importance of the label and/or the inscription is that they often bear a date, the name and address of the coin weight-box merchant. and an indication of its coin-weights content.
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Re: Money weight - can't place it
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2016, 02:19:51 PM »
Aha, Fleur de lys between two faces  8)
Many thanks Mal!  ;D
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Re: Money weight - can't place it
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2016, 02:28:50 PM »
Closest I've got is a Venetian ducat....................
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Re: Money weight - can't place it
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2016, 02:38:38 PM »
I think the text is Dutch but its double-Dutch to me!  :(

...I don't see Venetië.
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Re: Money weight - can't place it
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Re: Money weight - can't place it
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2016, 06:59:29 PM »
It is might be a French coin weight for a double excelente(double ducat).

I know that both Mary & Elizabeth allowed the excelente use in England, hence the need for its coin weight there.  Quite a few in the UK data base for finds.  Perhaps France had its own coin weight for the excelente too, hence the fleur de lys.

I noticed the one you posted has the image rotated like this one https://finds.org.uk/database/artefacts/record/id/99629  though that is where the similarity ends.

This one has the unadorned necks https://finds.org.uk/database/artefacts/record/id/197000   
Most coin weights at that time were made in the Low Countries.
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Re: Money weight - can't place it
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2016, 11:47:07 PM »
The weight should confirm this if it can checked.
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Re: Money weight - can't place it
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2016, 12:58:52 AM »
Tim gave the weight as 6.4gm and the two I linked are 6.42gm & 6.44gm, so about right.
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Re: Money weight - can't place it
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2016, 02:58:32 AM »
Looks like it is an English coin weight for the double excelente.  Assumed the fleur de lys made it a French one...but the English still laid claim to the French crown!

See this example with a fleur de lys between Ferdinand & Isabella and with similar style of bare neck busts.



from  http://www.colchestertreasurehunting.co.uk/c/coinweights.htm   
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Re: Money weight - can't place it
« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2016, 03:57:17 AM »
Excellent! I think we have it.  8)

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Re: Money weight - can't place it
« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2016, 05:36:05 AM »
Splendid! Well done Mal & Pat  ;D
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